Cav
pfm Member
Most people don't buy "hi-fi", whatever that is, anyway...
AVI DM10 - Active System
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Most people don't buy "hi-fi", whatever that is, anyway...
So you have been sleeping for the last ten years ! Just to let you know, vinyl has made a mega comeback. All FNAC stores now stock records (what you call vinyl) and there are even - gulp! specialist vinyl stores. In fact, I thought this forum had something to do with vinyl.
Yes, agreed, AVI speakers are legacy, but not landfill, at least not yet. However, the more your mentors procrastinate over bluetooth, airplay and wireless, and proper marketing, the more they are digging their own grave.
joleyami
pfm Member
With regards to proper marketing, the DM10 crosses over at 2.35 KHZ and not at the stated 2.0KHZ as claimed by AVI.
They apparently didn't sound right crossing over at 2.0 KHZ, probably because the tweeter was overloaded and despite all the alleged measurements, the DM10 were tuned by ear, first by adjusting the crossover frequency, then by reducing the tweeter output by 1db.
They apparently didn't sound right crossing over at 2.0 KHZ, probably because the tweeter was overloaded and despite all the alleged measurements, the DM10 were tuned by ear, first by adjusting the crossover frequency, then by reducing the tweeter output by 1db.
JezmondTutu
pfm Member
oh dear
Is that an ADM9 I see in the picture.
Next to the NS1000 ?
yuckyamson
pfm Member
I'm so confused, but loving this mud-slinging fest.
Pardon me for pausing and butting in, but, can someone give me the backstory here? I'm assuming that JC is some kind of employee for AVI (who works with a designer named Ash) and had previously, on this forum, started both marketing AVI, while simultaneously slamming other products, people got their back up, and then what followed was similar to this thread here.....only it reached blow-out proportions?
Do I have that right?
(The "Wiki" version of the answer would be appreciated, as opposed to the referential/biased/ad-homenem version)
Pardon me for pausing and butting in, but, can someone give me the backstory here? I'm assuming that JC is some kind of employee for AVI (who works with a designer named Ash) and had previously, on this forum, started both marketing AVI, while simultaneously slamming other products, people got their back up, and then what followed was similar to this thread here.....only it reached blow-out proportions?
Do I have that right?
(The "Wiki" version of the answer would be appreciated, as opposed to the referential/biased/ad-homenem version)
adamdea
You are not a sound quality evaluation device
Stripped of all of the ad hominems and he-said-she-said, the answer is Tuesday.
yuckyamson
pfm Member
Vus Hertzeg?
YNWOAN
100% Analogue
Sort of yes, but mostly no. AVI as a company have been around for thirty years or so. Back in the day they made amplifiers, CD players and tuners. They were a small company but recognised as producing good gear - even then they held a staunchly objective stance when most of the market was pro subjective. Move on 25 years and Ashley buys into the company (he had previously been working in sales at ATC whose speakers were often partnered with AVI by buyers). AVI had stopped making seperates and now made a speaker called the ADM9 - a small two-way active speaker with built in DAC and remote control (Martin Grindrod is the designer and always has been - Ashley handles the marketing). Ashley sets about promoting the speaker in a remarkably aggressive manner, spamming the forums and making wild unsubstantiated claims combined with causual 'slagging off' of anything that could vaguely be thought to compete. He is aided in his guerila marketing by his close personal friend JC and a couple of Internet henchmen. Ashley eventually gets banned, tries the same under another pseudonym and gets banned again - eventually he buys into a forum of his own. He also invents this idea of 'legacy' audio which seems to be anything AVI are not currently making (ironically this includes the ADM9 and all the amps etc. they used to make - to this end AVI do not offer repairs or support for their older equipment ((presumably ADM9s still under warranty are supported))).
All the 'argy bargy' that has ensued doesn't have anything to do with the speakers as such - it's all down to the way Ashley has gone about promoting the product and the company. Now he is wishing to stand down and new money is being sought perhaps AVI will choose to take a different approach to selling - time will tell.
yuckyamson
pfm Member
I was aware of the company history (i.e. deep backstory) but not the recent history and the forum trolling way of doing business. I wonder if it was/is at all effective? Kind of funny.
JC, never met you but I have to hand it to you--you're an expert online sparring man.
It's surprising how nasty this has all become. Kind of shameless too. I have to say this "legacy" straw-man construct of a stance to take is quite.....nauseating.
JC, never met you but I have to hand it to you--you're an expert online sparring man.
It's surprising how nasty this has all become. Kind of shameless too. I have to say this "legacy" straw-man construct of a stance to take is quite.....nauseating.
Tony L
Administrator
I find it rather funny, especially the word 'legacy' now the high-tech lifestyle and pro-audio markets have moved on so much one could argue AVI are wearing the tag themselves! To my mind it is a great word; in an audio context it is the stuff that was designed when real innovators were still in the industry and it is the products that have stood the test of time for decades. Legacy is the opposite of landfill tat!
clivem2
pfm Member
Outside of the IT world (where it mean old hat, cumbersome, dated etc) I'd say:
- it's good be be left a financial legacy
or
- to leave behind some form of a legacy is good (ie be known for doing or creating something special)
I'm far from convinced AVI are worthy of the term as in meaning something special...to be remembered; what they are doing is far from special or unique though it has it's place. Building speakers with custom drivers - decent speaker companies have always done this - look at the EPOS ES14 and ES11, their bass/mid's where not just custom they were specially designed by Robin Marshall. I don't believe AVI go to the lengths of Robin Marshall's efforts. As for active speakers, they are really rather commonplace.
Being a '14 owner I understand what you mean. However you have got to be a good designer to make a better driver than ScanSpeak at their best. The ATCs and Wilsons of this world had a lot of OEM drivers. Others have had "special" versions of standard drivers too. How special, we will never know.
Mordaunt Short made the drivers for Naim in the SBL and IBL days. An IBL bass driver fits the original AE1's exactly. Same pressed frame but plenty of other differences!!