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PaulMB said:
Ah, now I think see your point. A sort of 1960s skinhead mentality, I'll beat you up if you are Pakistani, Jewish, gay, have long hair, look as if you can read and write, etc. (I don't know who Tommy Robinson is, probably just as well...)
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Pedantic but skinheads in the 60s/70s were not racist, quite the opposite in fact.

The whole skinhead thing got hijacked by the BNP/NF racist ***** in the late 70's early 80's
 
dave charlton said:
We all have our views -

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How can you take that shit seriously. "Calling for Jihad", FFS!

One one level, it's completely laughable based on my experience of the aging hippies at the Sheffield demos.

On another it's deeply sinister, cynical and outright dangerous.

Do you really think the far-right are gonna leave Jews alone once they've finished ****ing over Muslims and lefties?
 
droodzilla said:
How can you take that shit seriously. "Calling for Jihad", FFS!

One one level, it's completely laughable based on my experience of the aging hippies at the Sheffield demos.

On another it's deeply sinister, cynical and outright dangerous.

Do you really think the far-right are gonna leave Jews alone once they've finished ****ing over Muslims and lefties?
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First they came for the …
 
droodzilla said:
How can you take that shit seriously. "Calling for Jihad", FFS!

One one level, it's completely laughable based on my experience of the aging hippies at the Sheffield demos.

On another it's deeply sinister, cynical and outright dangerous.

Do you really think the far-right are gonna leave Jews alone once they've finished ****ing over Muslims and lefties?
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But there was a call for Jihad at the Hizb ut-Tahrir rally in October, though I think was singular. The Met police decided the call, and the banners calling for Muslim armies to rescue Palestine, were not unlawful as they were ambiguous.

The call for intifada was much more widespread, including calls for intifada in London. E.g. here is only one example.

So blokey in the suit in that Times video is cherry picking and exaggerating, but he's not making it up.

You certainly couldn't characterise the London marches as being full of aging hippies. Was very wide-ranging crowd. Lots of young people and much more boisterous.
 
dave charlton said:
It is and his humanitarianism shines through, something that Hamas didn't show on October 7th.

www.bbc.co.uk

How Hamas built a force to attack Israel on 7 October

BBC Arabic and BBC Verify have pieced together how armed groups came together to train for the assault.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Something that the IDF didn't show on October the 7th.
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or November the 1st
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Or today.
 
dave charlton said:
I did and his humanitarianism shines through, something Hamas didn't show on October 7th.
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Owen Jones in no way defends the crimes of Hamas. None of us in any way defend Hamas. Yet you appear to be defending the IDF’s bloodbath of vengeance and mass slaughter innocent civilians. An ongoing action which is looking ever more like ethnic cleansing and genocide.

How many need to die to satisfy Israel’s rage? Put a number on it! When does it stop? Do they need to bulldoze every corpse into the sea and settle the whole area before the crowing political right will be happy? Where is the end point? What do you actually want?

I have zero respect for Hamas. I have zero respect for Netanyahu. I have zero respect for the IDF. I have no tribe, creed, ideology or flag. **** it all. I just want it to stop! Ceasefire and international peace-keeping force now. Both in Gaza and in the West Bank.
 
notaclue said:
But there was a call for Jihad at the Hizb ut-Tahrir rally in October, though I think was singular. The Met police decided the call, and the banners calling for Muslim armies to rescue Palestine, were not unlawful as they were ambiguous.

The call for intifada was much more widespread, including calls for intifada in London. E.g. here is only one example.

So blokey in the suit in that Times video is cherry picking and exaggerating, but he's not making it up.

You certainly couldn't characterise the London marches as being full of aging hippies. Was very wide-ranging crowd. Lots of young people and much more boisterous.
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I know. But the cherry picking is the point. Its aim is to smear and delegitimise everyone involved.

When a march of hundreds of thousands of people is overwhelmingly peaceful, that cherry picking is sinister, cynical and dangerous. In the long run I believe it will put Jews at greater risk as resistance to the far-right is driven from the political sphere.

And sure, you get all sorts at a demo., but I guarantee that there will have been tens of thousands of aging hippies and socialist grannies at the London marches, as well as families with young children, community activists, SWP types... the whole gamut.

The idea that the majority of those people (or even a significant minority) are antisemites, terrorist sympathisers or whatever bollocks is being claimed this week is a disgusting smear.
 
“Humans can be taught to accept an awful lot that does not make sense, but there is a limit to what people can be plausibly told is not possible. Much of consent in politics is secured by popular agreement that there are things that are simply above the average citizen’s pay grade, and even beyond government control. Not being able to persuade “the only democracy in the Middle East” of something that seems plainly obvious, that the horrific events of 7 October cannot be erased by even more horror, is not one of them. The lesson is brutal and short: human rights are not universal and international law is arbitrarily applied.”

From a very good comment piece in The Guardian by Nesrine Malik.

www.theguardian.com

The war in Gaza has been an intense lesson in western hypocrisy. It won’t be forgotten | Nesrine Malik

People have seen too much that will stay with them too long. Trust in the ‘international community’ will never be the same, says Guardian columnist Nesrine Malik
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
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