farfromthesun
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Those quitting spotify now are not going to start spending on physical media or make an effort to search out music, they don't care enough about it. If they did, they wouldn't be using it in the first place.
Those quitting spotify now are not going to start spending on physical media or make an effort to search out music, they don't care enough about it. If they did, they wouldn't be using it in the first place.
That brings back memories.See also taping the top 40 off the radio on a Sunday evening.
In the old days when as a teenager I rode on a bus into Leicester city centre to trawl round half a dozen record shops before finally selecting an LP...
...even if my first listen wasn't that good - I carried on listening until I liked the album.
The effort and expense of obtaining the LP meant I was damn well going to have to enjoy the album.
Again true to an extent, but those early days did at least make me understand that you might have to listen to an album 10 times or more, before it clicked in your brain.- it is all to easy to click on another album after just the first 30 seconds.
I was actually referring to the LP rather than shellac whereby the like of Capitol marketed to 30 somethings with disposable income. This was arguably a golden age with Frank Sinatra selling records to Bobby soxers who’s grown up.If you go right back a hundred years to the birth of the record industry 78s of 'popular' music were issued as 10" 'sides' and only 'proper' (i.e classical) music was issued on the more expensive 12" shellac format. The first 'albums' - literally albums of several records with their sleeves bound together into a book - were almost exclusively classic music.
I think there's an argument to be made that those elitist assumptions about music consumption based on ideas around class, social standing and race are still with us today when kids streaming the latest tracks are dismissed as not 'proper' music lovers - with the inference that their music isn't 'proper' music.
Sean's point about jungle made me think as well. In the early 90s vinyl was the only way of getting new tracks out. I would walk to uni on Fridays past the queue of producers and DJs waiting to get dubplates cut on Holloway road. That's all gone because now you can stick 100 brand new tracks on a USB stick and plug it into the club's CDJs. Even if you wanted to press up a new track to sell on vinyl, with a nine month waiting time at the pressing plants it's going to be old news by the time it's actually ready.
Home Taping is….Also young people have always mostly only listened to tracks and not albums, for me as a kid it was about vfm, so compilations and best ofs were all I looked at. See also taping the top 40 off the radio on a Sunday evening.
Those quitting spotify now are not going to start spending on physical media or make an effort to search out music, they don't care enough about it. If they did, they wouldn't be using it in the first place.
Really? I like music from around the world, Rai from Algeria, classical Indian music, Brazilian, West African, chamber music, rock, folk, jazz, Baroque, and so on. I didn't notice any streaming going on when I became interested in any of them.
Which has to be paid every month, whether you can afford it or not. Back then I couldn't.Yes but you (everyone in fact ) can do this now for a tenner a month, that’s the difference.
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But this isn’t anything new, people have always listens to things in different way with differing levels of engagement. It doesn’t really matter, you can’t really dictate how people listen or to what.Growing up in the eighties and early ‘90s I would listen to new music on the radio.
I was lucky that we had an alternative/indie music radio station when I was in my late teens and early twenties, which was partly responsible for me exploring artists that were not very commercial.
Whenever I liked a loose track enough I would buy the album which I would listen to for weeks on end to explore every nuance. Later that decade (88?) I convinced my dad to get ‘us’ a CD player but CDs were twice as expensive as vinyl which meant I could only buy one after a long spell.
My kids have millions of albums available at the tip of their fingers and have to be coached into delving deeper into a single album; they’re just used to random tracks, zapping as one does with the TV, and don’t listen to the radio anymore although there are YouTube channels that they can watch. One of them also listens to music all the time, it’s just background noise… My sister used to do that with the TV, she’d turn it on whenever she got home from school (maybe to keep her company).
This thread has prompted me to cancel my Qobuz subscription. It only recently renewed on an annual basis so I’ll try to adjust over the next 11 months.
What I’d really like to do is buy just one or two CD/LPs a month, chosen via recommendation by friends (mostly here I suspect), so will concentrate on the annual Album of the Year threads.
Possibly because of the streaming avalanche approach I’m subjecting myself to I think I’m currently buying too much stuff that doesn’t really have/get a chance to stick. Perhaps I’ll also curate the physical collection to reflect what I’ll actually likely listen to.
I’m looking forward to spending the day exploring what ‘24 has thrown up.
How do you go about doing that?
Just looking at the various charts that Qobuz (and all the other services) curate. Obviously it’s limited in that it won’t throw up Bandcamp low volume/niche type offerings, but it’s a useful way in.
I dread to think what would happen if I had a whole house I could fill with records!The pile is getting bigger as I’ve now formally run out of shelf space!
Do you use the related artists and artist radio features? They can be a good way of exploringI've been unsuccessful in using Spotify to discover new music (I like).