It was totally unregulated which brought out the worst in people. The idea that people are fundamentally reasonable and good turned out to be untrue. It was nuts!
Naim: Is it personal?
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It was totally unregulated which brought out the worst in people. The idea that people are fundamentally reasonable and good turned out to be untrue. It was nuts!
Craig B
Re:trophile
Yeah, ISTR one bloke who went so far as to tear up his living room floorboards and install foundational footers for his Mana stacks. (not necessarily a bad idea, mind)
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Craig B
Re:trophile
Joe P
Memory Alpha incarnate | mod; Shatner number = 2
What we're gonna do right here is go back, way back, back into time, when the only people that existed were troglodytes — cave men, cave women, Neanderthal, troglodytes.
Let's take the average cave man at home, listening to his stereo.
Sometimes he'd get up, try to do his thing. He'd begin to move, something like this ... dance...dance.
Thems were the days.
Joe
Let's take the average cave man at home, listening to his stereo.
Sometimes he'd get up, try to do his thing. He'd begin to move, something like this ... dance...dance.
Thems were the days.
Joe
That never, ever gets old. A perfectly observed bit of comedy.
Alex S
carbon based lifeform
I think that’s Hermann’s system.Yeah, ISTR one bloke who went so far as to tear up his living room floorboards and install foundational footers for his Mana stacks. (not necessarily a bad idea, mind)
I just went around until I found a shop that wasn’t like that. Audio Counsel in Oldham. How hard can it be? I am actually shocked you could be swayed by the hard sell tactics as you seem to be so accomplished in everything else including using bilinguality as a barometer of how much more of a ‘world player’ you are than someone like me
Craig B
Re:trophile
I had assumed it was JW's, what with the hookah and all.
kernow
pfm Member
What was this all about anyway? Seemed so unnecessary
sideshowbob
Champagne fascia aficionado
The Mana forum was compelling viewing, utterly bonkers. The bullying was very ugly but it could at times also be a very amusing place.
The end of Mana can be relived here:
https://pinkfishmedia.net/forum/threads/the-end-of-mana-audio.18666/
It's worth reading for the poetry, although it takes a while to get to that point.
The end of Mana can be relived here:
https://pinkfishmedia.net/forum/threads/the-end-of-mana-audio.18666/
It's worth reading for the poetry, although it takes a while to get to that point.
I went round and didn't find a shop like that. How hard could it be? Quite hard, clearly. As far as being a "world player" I don't consider myself as such, but I know better than to nitpick someone else's grammar in a second language, and I'm actually shocked that a man of the world like you apparently doesn't.I just went around until I found a shop that wasn’t like that. Audio Counsel in Oldham. How hard can it be? I am actually shocked you could be swayed by the hard sell tactics as you seem to be so accomplished in everything else including using bilinguality as a barometer of how much more of a ‘world player’ you are than someone like me
No, that's Hermann's system.
Finnegan
I like a bit of a cavort
I can’t even remember the competition, but when my Arcam Alpha 5 died I auditioned a few machines but the Naim 5i just sounded much better than anything else I auditioned, even if it was above my budget. I then swapped a Linn Intek for a NAP 150/ NAC 112 and never looked back, building my way up to 282/ Hicap/ 250. When the times comes to replace I will most likely buy something more moderately priced, but for the time being it does me and I enjoy it very much. I don’t really understand PRAT, flat earth etc and I’m not that interested. I just know I like the sound of my current system.
Finnegan
I like a bit of a cavort
It’s intolerable now. I left a few years ago and don’t miss it at all. There used to be quite a bunch of characters posting, I have the very occasional lurk but it’s just completely bland and uninteresting now.
tuga
Legal Alien
'Cultism' gets to me for some reason (maybe my Catholic upbringing?).
It's not just Naim, Audio Note, Chord, Harbeth and Linn also have a similar approach.
Tom60300
The truth hurts.
My 2 cents. I enjoyed and probably still do enjoy the Naim sound. I will honestly hand that to them without hesitation. But, the company executives and various representatives are literally insufferable, except for Jason Gould. But they aren't as bad as the Design and Engineering team, who are smoking the really good stuff.
For example, their wonky engineering voodoo beliefs about DIN connections, mystical earthing design, always imminent Sword of Damocles RECAPPING holy grail obligations, the endless PSU upgrade path to empty your pockets further while proving that they should've designed proper power supplies in their units in the first place (like practically every other manufacturer on the planet), the mysterious admonitions about proper cable dressing, the unethical and wasteful requirement to leave their units powered up 24/7 in spite of eco-concerns, worldwide inflation and skyrocketing electricity costs, the unnatural, illogical and most probably ill-fated marriage with Focal, under the Vervent Audio holding structure, which gives way to a sonic nightmare of epic proportions and the incessant Marketing propaganda that suggests the opposite was a bit much for me.
There are two remaining straws that finally broke the camel's back:
1. Naim has always erroneously and dishonestly insisted that their cheapo ALPS Blue Velvet potentiometer implementations, which are systematically skewed off-balance, be it for volume of balance control on the integrateds and preamps, are "the best possible" because Steve Sells declared "they sound better". What a load of cr@p. I even had a major retailer tell me that if there is the (typical) imbalance then "you aren't using it as intended". LOL, obviously.
2. Probably the worst yet is the Naim forum and the Chinese-style censorship that is routinely practiced there. This is a well-known fact far and wide to both Naim users and non-Naim users. Free speech on internet forums does require some moderation, but an all-out metamorphosis into gigantic propaganda machine where only monolithic inputs conforming to the Party line are tolerated has turned theirs into a vast wasteland of self-congratulating fanboys.
So, not necessarily hating on Naim, just calling out things as they are. Your experience may be different.
kernow
pfm Member
I just never understood why people have got fleeced by dealers and bought kit they don't like. You're in the hands of a salesman. Never used a dealer, never will.
Naim just seems to me like people can't be bothered to do their own research, pick up what hifi and go ooh that's good.
Naim just seems to me like people can't be bothered to do their own research, pick up what hifi and go ooh that's good.
Not really a case of knowing better, in my eyes he’s been a persistent troll on these Naim threads so sod him frankly and if that makes me a twat then fine.I went round and didn't find a shop like that. How hard could it be? Quite hard, clearly. As far as being a "world player" I don't consider myself as such, but I know better than to nitpick someone else's grammar in a second language, and I'm actually shocked that a man of the world like you apparently doesn't.
There was a particularly bad one in Hull in the early 1980s, complete (as I remember) with smug, patronising, unpleasant bloke in cords with a perm. I eventually found my way to a much better one who happened to be a Linn+Naim dealer. Completely different; a lovely approachable chap who even suggested that I measured and copied some Linn stands when I mentioned that I was thinking of making some. Night and day. Both disappeared in the end, however.