flatpopely
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Been in Sweden all week. Green focused economy, EV infrastructure nowhere near ready. Like the UK it’s a stick with no carrot.
Absolutely this.Running a PHEV has given me some insight into how far away we are from having the necessary infrastructure in place for a wholesale move to EV's, and also reinforced my view that the best use case currently for EV's is where you very rarely need to rely on public chargers and just use one at home.
Sweden is doing a lot more than the UK, but faces much bigger job: Sweden is twice the area of the UK with a sixth of the population, and while most people live in cities (88% versus 84% in the UK), there’s a lot of near-empty countryside between those cities, and the Northern part of the country is very, very sparsely populated - but still has places people travel between. Within the UK, only Scotland has the same sort of issues to deal with.Been in Sweden all week. Green focused economy, EV infrastructure nowhere near ready. Like the UK it’s a stick with no carrot.
Certainly. Regen braking will help recover some of the energy but it won't be as easy as meandering along the M4.I imagine that Sweden being quite a lumpy country would also have an effect on range?
Within the UK, only Scotland has the same sort of issues to deal with.
The guys who drove me around are all hanging onto their ICE cars as an EV just doesn't work for them in Sweden; big country concentrated in 3 major cities with little to no EV charging infrastructure available anywhere.I imagine that Sweden being quite a lumpy country would also have an effect on range?
Sweden is doing a lot more than the UK, but faces much bigger job: Sweden is twice the area of the UK with a sixth of the population, and while most people live in cities (88% versus 84% in the UK), there’s a lot of near-empty countryside between those cities, and the Northern part of the country is very, very sparsely populated - but still has places people travel between. Within the UK, only Scotland has the same sort of issues to deal with.
The guys who drove me around are all hanging onto their ICE cars as an EV just doesn't work for them in Sweden; big country concentrated in 3 major cities with little to no EV charging infrastructure available anywhere.
Not unique to Tesla, although their shorter cables makes it a bigger issue. DC charging cables are short out of necessity (shorter cable = lower resistance = lower heat and less energy loss), and depending on where your charging port is, you often have to do a bit of manoeuvring to bring your car’s charging port into range of the cable.Tesla are just trialling opening up their chargers for general EV use, the initial issues being not all charge ports are in standardised locations meaning the cable wont reach for some cars plus if yours is on the opposite side to a Tesla then you take up two bays for one charging station.
It’ll work if the overstay pricing is swingeing enough. They could use that to subsidise the rate for legit users.Tesla is considering the introduction of “demand pricing” for non-Tesla owners (but wait: it’ll apply to Tesla owners later, even if at a lower price) to prevent stall-hogging. I used to work on a project that involves demand-pricing, and I doubt it will work to prevent stay-ons: all it will do is allow rude people to buy off their conscience by spending more.
Except for in the far north, Sweden has milder winters than the U.K.Cold climate as well, so hammers the range.
It’ll work if the overstay pricing is swingeing enough. They could use that to subsidise the rate for legit users.
Except for in the far north, Sweden has milder winters than the U.K.
Maybe in the furthest Southern region, but even Stockholm has average winter temperatures below Inverness. https://weatherspark.com/compare/y/...he-Average-Weather-in-Inverness-and-Stockholm
All moot, though. It still hammers EV efficiency and range more than if you were in milder climes.
Remember this is the British Government and they are incapable of making anything happenApologies if this has been posted elsewhere:
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-54981425
Nice idea, but is this in any way practically realisable? It's nice to set high goals, but only if you're happy to make marks higher up the wall than would otherwise have been the case. Actually clearing the wall seems cloud-cuckoo land - or is that where I'm residing?