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Ban on petrol and diesel cars from 2030

Just arranging to p/x my 3 series 340i for a Lexus NX PHEV. My average daily use is around 40 miles so hoping to be primarily EV for most of the time. Will be sad to see the 6-pot Beemer go but the plug in hybrid makes a lot of sense for my requirements, lots of shortish journeys with typically one long one per week.
 
For brutal turbo lag stories I saw an interview with someone (I don't remember who) about the original 80s turbo F1 cars. They explained at the Canadian GP for the main hairpin, the process was brake to entry speed, select the correct gear, full throttle, THEN turn in! by the time you got round the corner at full throttle you should have built enough boost to start making power to slingshot down the straight. Mental!

Turbos have come an awful long way in modern petrol cars (turbo diesels are still awful).
 
Yes it’s a 2.0 litre with a bigger turbo, marked as a 3.30i.

The 340 is a proper car but far too much for what I need.
 
Puggie said:
For brutal turbo lag stories I saw an interview with someone (I don't remember who) about the original 80s turbo F1 cars. They explained at the Canadian GP for the main hairpin, the process was brake to entry speed, select the correct gear, full throttle, THEN turn in! by the time you got round the corner at full throttle you should have built enough boost to ….
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And along came Senna with his technique for keeping boost up while braking/cornering. Nobody knew what he was up to as data logging was basic back then.
 
Puggie said:
For brutal turbo lag stories I saw an interview with someone (I don't remember who) about the original 80s turbo F1 cars. They explained at the Canadian GP for the main hairpin, the process was brake to entry speed, select the correct gear, full throttle, THEN turn in! by the time you got round the corner at full throttle you should have built enough boost to start making power to slingshot down the straight. Mental!

Turbos have come an awful long way in modern petrol cars (turbo diesels are still awful).
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I used to think TDs were awful, and they were, years ago, but my own is very good. It's the 3L Audi V6 and performs well. Its favourite party trick is A road overtaking in 4th gear. 50-55 mph stuck behind a truck, foot down and it will accelerate to no-officer-I -don't -think -so speeds very quickly, without lag. Obviously if you bog it down in 6th and 1200rpm you deserve what you get, but nobody (other than my dad) expects a car to deliver any power at those engine speeds. Nor will they, petrol or otherwise, this side of a ship engine.
 
I can’t remember the exact figures, but my old 2010 Merc four cylinder twin-turbo diesel would pull quite nicely from below 1,500rpm. I’m sure some critics are stuck with views of engines like the Ford Escort diesels of the 80s! Not many car engines had 500Nm to play with back then.
 
Tony Lockhart said:
Twenty years ago most turbo cars were crap to drive, simple as that. Now, they’re extremely driveable, even if most sound very one-note and boring.
A turbo is a necessity for power/emissions//economy now, with liquid fuels.
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Sorry but that's just plain ignorance.

In the 90's, the Supra, Skyline, Mitsubishi and Lexus 6 cylinder engines pushed 280-320 HP with twin turbo charging, with some coupled with ceramic turbine wheel designs, they were very drivable and yet you know they are turbocharged. I driven and owned these cars back to back against the NA heros of the day like the BMW E36 3.0 & E46 M3, 996 C2, 986 Boxster S, TVR Tuscan, Honda S2000 to name a few.

Modern turbo cars found in the Focus RS, or VW Golf 4 bangers I drive or owned start working at low RPM and hide much of the boost power delivery to give a near NA torque curve, but they still lack the snappy NA throttle response nor the induction noise.

I personally don't care if one journo prefers NA over Turbo, but atleast stick to the original opinion of things rather than fudge it just so it fits in with modern trends ...
 
Puggie said:
For brutal turbo lag stories I saw an interview with someone (I don't remember who) about the original 80s turbo F1 cars. They explained at the Canadian GP for the main hairpin, the process was brake to entry speed, select the correct gear, full throttle, THEN turn in! by the time you got round the corner at full throttle you should have built enough boost to start making power to slingshot down the straight. Mental!

Turbos have come an awful long way in modern petrol cars (turbo diesels are still awful).
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Totally out of context example.

Those 80's F1 motors with turbocharging were 1.5 litres in displacement with 4 cylinders, using turbochargers of the day rated to support 1500 HP ... extremely unbalanced setup for a racing engine let alone a road car.

Then there was fuel additives / anti knock needed so that the motor does not detonate once full power comes in ...
 
Anh said:
Totally out of context example.

Those 80's F1 motors with turbocharging were 1.5 litres in displacement with 4 cylinders, using turbochargers of the day rated to support 1500 HP ... extremely unbalanced setup for a racing engine let alone a road car.

Then there was fuel additives / anti knock needed so that the motor does not detonate once full power comes in ...
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Some were V6s
 
matt j said:
Anyone that moans about turbo lag on a road car needs to learn how to use a gearbox.
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So true for so many such grumbles - the full area under the redline is available: just use it.

Of course - so many engines are also just pretty horrid/ offer little more for being stretched like that: esp small, highly-boosted engines past 4k5 or so. And modern diesels, pretty much at all, past about 1/2-2/3rds the red line ( ...however far they have come with engine management in last 20yrs)
 
Ponty said:
Lovely things. Cheesecutter wheels?
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Ha ha, yes indeed. My fave wheels were the 99 EMS alloys, my first Saab. Mine was bright orange, proper 70's colour.

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martin clark said:
So true for so many such grumbles - the full area under the redline is available: just use it.

Of course - so many engines are also just pretty horrid/ offer little more for being stretched like that: esp small, highly-boosted engines past 4k5 or so. And modern diesels, pretty much at all, past about 1/2-2/3rds the red line ( ...however far they have come with engine management in last 20yrs)
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all of this will soon be lost with demise of ICE engines. It can’t come soon enough as far as i am concerned, ICE engines are flawed in so mny ways!

But i was never a petrol head, I just want a quiet smooth drive with full power available immediately with a quick blip of the accelerator.
 
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