chartz
If it’s broke fix it!
I never quite get there on Spotify, no.
I’ll try to find that on Qobuz.
Best 3D sounding CD player / source
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I’ll try to find that on Qobuz.
PhilofCas
pfm Member
I bought the CD when it first came out (jeepers, just looked, 1988!) was highly recommended in Hifi News magazine at the time.
I played it lots, it was one of them where the more you played it the more you liked it, a little hard work compared to the other stuff I was listening to at the time. Can see what people say about the recording, might dig it out and give it another whirl.
linnfomaniac83
I bet you can’t wheelie a unicycle!
It's a shame you didn't recreate it a few years back, not so long back you could pick up a tidy Axis for under £200 and the Arcam boxes for under £100 a piece... not now. I'm not sure about the Index 2s because I've no meaningful experience with them (it was fashionable to really hate on them, and Arcam speakers for a long time but more recent opinions on them are much kinder), The Axis and the Arcam boxes are superb though, it would sound very good!
By coincidence few days a go I found they had done a Trinity Session revisited, (Tidal) also very much worth a listen as per the original.
I also over the past year recreated one of my early set-ups that gave me fond memories. LP12, IncaTech Claymore and Celestion SL6. But I couldn't stop at keeping it at a 90's version, the LP12 is a bit better spec than back then the Claymore got rebuilt and pumped up by Colin and I made new Jenzen crossovers for the SL6si. These always had a reputation for good stereo imagery, now they are way better, detail and insight is more like headphones!! Clarity is amazing and treble has weight and tone I've not heard before. Hi End crossover parts are a revelation and F'n expensive !
I also over the past year recreated one of my early set-ups that gave me fond memories. LP12, IncaTech Claymore and Celestion SL6. But I couldn't stop at keeping it at a 90's version, the LP12 is a bit better spec than back then the Claymore got rebuilt and pumped up by Colin and I made new Jenzen crossovers for the SL6si. These always had a reputation for good stereo imagery, now they are way better, detail and insight is more like headphones!! Clarity is amazing and treble has weight and tone I've not heard before. Hi End crossover parts are a revelation and F'n expensive !
Mike Reed
pfm Member
Just fora laugh, it's forums
My only s/s experience of CD players is a short loan of an early 1 bit(?) Naim (CD1???), the Linn CD12 (wow for both sound and price!) and a Bow Wizard (?) brought down by a dealer for a dem. in my system and the first two I bought, a two-box Meridian and their GO8 as a successor (superb machine).
Can't imagine reverting to s/s now though.
Musicraft
Trade: Musicraft
According to Peter Lyngdorf about 85% of the sound we hear comes from the room and 15% from the loudspeakers.
"one of the things that people don't realise is that if they buy the best speakers in the world and put it in a normal living room about 85% of the sound they hear is coming from the room"
"speakers are 15% of the sound and the room is 85% and those 85% typically are not so good"
"when you can digitally compensate in the correct way, we can actually make sure if you buy Bowers & Wilkins speakers or DALI speakers or really good loudspeakers it will sound the best that that speaker can sound in your own room and that is what really matters"
Btw, i am using a TDAI-3400 with RoomPerfect room correction engaged.
Curtis
pfm Member
Another point i would say about Arcam is their build quality/longevity.
It only takes a quick search on ebay to reveal how many of their cdp’s are for sale as parts only.
I owned an Arcam A85 amp which was shockingly unreliable which Arcam replaced for me with an A22.
Both used to over heat and shut down under duress and both were extremely average sounding.
That was when i stopped reading reviews and purchasing kit off the back of them.
A very underwhelming experience.
In regards to their cdp’s around that time (post ring dac) the transports felt flimsy and the sound was boring and lifeless.
It only takes a quick search on ebay to reveal how many of their cdp’s are for sale as parts only.
I owned an Arcam A85 amp which was shockingly unreliable which Arcam replaced for me with an A22.
Both used to over heat and shut down under duress and both were extremely average sounding.
That was when i stopped reading reviews and purchasing kit off the back of them.
A very underwhelming experience.
In regards to their cdp’s around that time (post ring dac) the transports felt flimsy and the sound was boring and lifeless.
herb
brain's right hemisphere
https://darko.audio/2018/04/lyngdorfs-tdai-3400-is-a-room-correcting-super-integrated/
Genuine question- I see that before taking the measurements you have to set the volume. Does this 15/85 ratio refer only to high volumes? I normally listen fairly quietly and would be tempted to reverse the ratio.
Bairnstorm
pfm Member
Just fora laugh, it's forums
Just to educate you the plural of Forum is Fora.
It is Latin like Bellum, Bellum, Bellum, Belli, Bello, Bello, Plural is Bella, Bella, Bella, Bellorum, Bellis, Bellis.
Minio
Kind of Sort of Not really...
What I would say in Arcam's defence is that currently I can buy more than 10 Arcam 8se's for the price of a Naim CDX2.2 and the former is more my sonic preference.
It works for me.
Back to the OP, a Rotel will give you bucketfuls of holography for around a ton or so.
With more to spend, go for a maxed out spec Trichord Research for 3 dimensionality and refinement to boot.
Mike Reed
pfm Member
I'm afraid it isn't unless you mean Roman market places. The plural for an internet forum (and other forums?) is 'forums'. The normal Roman plural configuration does not apply here, according to the New O.E.D.: nor is it common parlance. 'Fora' does crop up (incorrectly) on the odd occasion but I can never quite understand why when 'forums' is used by just about everybody and Roman meeting or market places is a very niche conversational subject, I'm sure you'll agree.
Musicraft
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I take it you’re referring to the setting of the TDAI-3400’s calibration volume before RoomPerfect measurements are taken?
Mike Reed
pfm Member
Just spotted that you're ostensibly another educator; presumably in a teaching area incorporating the English language. As I spent 35+ years at various chalk-faces and ended up specialising in E.F.L., I wonder what your experience is, as there are many erudite fishies on this forum.
Musicraft
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Thanks. Yes, prior to room mapping RoomPerfect will send a series of tones from the mains and a sub/s together to establish a correct calibration level for measurement. This is easy to do. For eg. i have the TDAI-3400 default volume set at -35 and after having used RoomPerfect a number of times, so far the highest calibration level required to set the volume has been -16.
So far TDAI-3400's performance with RoomPerfect engaged has been consistent at any level I've listened to. Even at the lowest level the sound is full, rich and dynamic with depth, weight and power. I am sure Lyngdorf Audio's amplification is also playing a big part here -
"using the fully digital amplification technology, which means volume control is done by adjusting the voltage of the power supplies so we have full dynamic range at any range at any normal playback level"
"we have exactly the same sound at 0.5w as we have at 400w, which is unusual and impossible to achieve any other way"
Anyway more on TDAI-3400's true digital amplification, RoomPerfect with subwoofer integration, Digital voicing equalizer and DSP by Peter Lyngdorf in this video -
Bairnstorm
pfm Member
Never taught. My degree was in Classics.
Del monaco
Del Monaco
A lora fora laughs.Just fora laugh, it's forums
My only s/s experience of CD players is a short loan of an early 1 bit(?) Naim (CD1???), the Linn CD12 (wow for both sound and price!) and a Bow Wizard (?) brought down by a dealer for a dem. in my system and the first two I bought, a two-box Meridian and their GO8 as a successor (superb machine).
Can't imagine reverting to s/s now though.
It crops up with a large helping of pretension.I'm afraid it isn't unless you mean Roman market places. The plural for an internet forum (and other forums?) is 'forums'. The normal Roman plural configuration does not apply here, according to the New O.E.D.: nor is it common parlance. 'Fora' does crop up (incorrectly) on the odd occasion but I can never quite understand why when 'forums' is used by just about everybody and Roman meeting or market places is a very niche conversational subject, I'm sure you'll agree.