Colin Barron
pfm Member
That is what the frugal five net contributors to the EU must be thinking with budget increases of 75% to 100% from 2020 to 2027. We are told by the remainers that EU contributions are a bargain.
Which part of the (former) UK will rejoin the European Union first?
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eternumviti
Insufficient privileges to reply.
Doubling of the annual EU contribution! Nothing. Less than Macron has to fork out each year to pay his riot police to kick the eyeballs out of French citizens.
SteveS1
I heard that, pardon?
EU contributions are already a bargain compared to what we are spending on Brexit and what it will ultimately cost. That's before we have to buy our way into future trade.
Of course we can blow ten years worth of net EU subs (and counting) on a white elephant train line that will knock ten minutes off a trip to the midlands and might enable a few more London commuters - like we don't have enough of those. But who's keeping an eye on domestic 'spaffing' eh?
Even ET doesn't try to make an economic case for leaving. Rejoice in your blue passports, warm fuzzy feelings of imaginary freedom from oppression by all means, but there is no economic case for not being part of one of the world's biggest trading areas.
Colin Barron
pfm Member
Not to mention the 10 billion Euros Macron has added to the French national deficit to appease the yellow jackets.
Joe
pfm Member
So you keep saying.
Maybe accept that the public voted out ( for good or bad ) and sing a different song ?
There will be no solace in being able to say "I told you so " in years down the line. Just as saying " it's a Tory shitshow and they now own Brexit " is a pointless thing to say...we will all own the consequences of Brexit not just the Tories.
russel
./_dazed_and_confused
The UK tax gap, I.e. tax that should be paid but isn’t, is about 9000UKP per pensioner per year, jus ‘sayin.
Colin Barron
pfm Member
Info from where?
richardg
Admonishtrator
Also, this is just state pensions or all pensions?
SteveS1
I heard that, pardon?
Gosh let me think - tax shortfall estmated at £35Bn (2019) and rising - expect far more under Johnson, the oligarch and tax dodger's friend.
https://www.independent.co.uk/money...t-forms-ghosts-vat-income-fraud-a8968106.html
Over 65s number roughly £12M, now let's hope that Bn is the lower Bn. Even at the most optimistic that's nearly £3k for everyone over 65.
https://www.independent.co.uk/money...t-forms-ghosts-vat-income-fraud-a8968106.html
Over 65s number roughly £12M, now let's hope that Bn is the lower Bn. Even at the most optimistic that's nearly £3k for everyone over 65.
russel
./_dazed_and_confused
This guy reckons it 95 billion,
“
Now we have a total tax gap of:
https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2019/06/19/the-uk-tax-gap-is-90-billion-a-year/
both HMRC and the government have reasons to opt for a lower figure.
“
Now we have a total tax gap of:
- Domestic evasion £66.7bn
- Evasion by the wealthy using offshore £5bn
- Avoidance £11bn
- Error £3.2bn
- Non-payment £3.4 bn “
https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2019/06/19/the-uk-tax-gap-is-90-billion-a-year/
both HMRC and the government have reasons to opt for a lower figure.
misterdog
Not the canine kind
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referendums_related_to_the_European_Union
I wonder whether the Norwegians spent 4 years arguing semantics, calling each other LIARS in both 1972 and 1994 ?
Maybe you were too quick to try and disprove my point that you missed the words ' full EU integration' in order to insert the word LIAR.
As I said we are reduced to Twitter politics with no debate available within 140 characters.
Interestingly both referenda in Norway had a similar % vote remain/leave as ours. Though the Swiss seemed less keen on full integration.
misterdog
Not the canine kind
Nope, I have been talking about the 'Brexit pound' for over 3 years.
Google Black Wednesday or Sterling V The Euro in 2006 if you wish to catch up.
I find all this vitriol of calling those with other opinions liars and stupid very, well it pushes me to vote away from those reduced to such puerility.
TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
Meanwhile the Telegraph reports on a new horror*.Charles Moore will have to have the smelling salts administered,
“It is rugby’s oldest rivalry, forged over nearly 130 years of fierce sporting combat.
But this year’s Calcutta Cup match between England and Scotland threatens to be overshadowed by political protests over Brexit.
A section of Scottish fans plan to wave European Union flags alongside the traditional Saltire during today’s match at Murrayfield, it has emerged.
Others have vowed to bring giant Saltires woven with yellow stars in a backlash at Britain’s decision to leave”.
*readers warned, expect strong tutting from start.
Meanwhile, piles are coming down at “The Express”. A plot is afoot, plots mean traitors, traitors meanz outrage.
Brexit outrage: Scots plot anti-Brexit protest at Calcutta Cup match against England
“It is rugby’s oldest rivalry, forged over nearly 130 years of fierce sporting combat.
But this year’s Calcutta Cup match between England and Scotland threatens to be overshadowed by political protests over Brexit.
A section of Scottish fans plan to wave European Union flags alongside the traditional Saltire during today’s match at Murrayfield, it has emerged.
Others have vowed to bring giant Saltires woven with yellow stars in a backlash at Britain’s decision to leave”.
*readers warned, expect strong tutting from start.
Meanwhile, piles are coming down at “The Express”. A plot is afoot, plots mean traitors, traitors meanz outrage.
Brexit outrage: Scots plot anti-Brexit protest at Calcutta Cup match against England
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Nick_G
pfm Member
This is an illustration of how emotion overrides logic, and how easily people are swayed. No wonder the psy-ops social media campaigns were so effective.
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TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
The Prime Minister has been dismissed twice for lying, a behaviour he seems to have cultivated. When you catch someone repeatedly telling demonstrable lies, the Oxford English Dictionary is unambiguous about the appropriate noun. Brexit itself is a lie on a grand scale and when it’s fully exposed, the fall out’s going to be something to see. The work of Johnson is to preserve the lie, in fear of the consequences and he’s going to need a large supply of scapegoats.
SteveS1
I heard that, pardon?
What is that to do with the fact that campaigners were telling people leaving the EU did not threaten our access to the SM? Were they telling the truth or not? Just selectively quoting nonsense and putting things in bold caps - is that supposed to give your selectivity more substance?
Brian
Eating fat, staying slim
Since you mention the rugby, brave Scots did more than wave EU flags, they decided to throw beer bottles around instead.
“Rugby did have a culture of being respectful and having respect for the kicker," said Jones. ”So if we don't want to have that, if there's a new level of respect in Scotland, we've got to put up with it. If that's how the Scottish fans are going to be respectful we have to acknowledge it and just get on with it."
Farrell was jeered as he lined up goal-kicks during England's 13-6 Six Nations victory at a storm-hit Murrayfield.
Jones said high performance manager Neil Craig was hit on the head by a plastic beer bottle before kick-off. "We weren't expecting bottles to be thrown - that's a new trick," he said. "You've got to be pretty brave to throw a beer bottle.”
Source: BBC Sport https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/51430337
Anything to say about this cowardly behaviour, Hugh?
It just goes to show a load of waster drunks and the murky weather we expect from Scotland wasn't enough to temper England's charge.
TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
One of the most potent examples,
playing to the fear of others, millions of them. Who do you think you are kidding Mr.Erdogan...
playing to the fear of others, millions of them. Who do you think you are kidding Mr.Erdogan...