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Winter election III

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eternumviti said:
The other one is to get elected, and thus to destroy Marxist aspirations for another generation. Assuming all his promises come to nothing, he can be dealt with at the next election, by which time there should be an opposition that has progressed beyond the university student's union barroom table top circa 1975.
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As someone who happened to be a student in 1975 that's laughable. We were far more extreme than Corbyn is now.

As much as I think it was a mistake to elect Corbyn as Labour leader, I'm struggling to see anything Marxist in his proposals, they're more like Nordic socialism.

Of course it could be that you just want a 'strong leader' to clear the Augean stables. That was tried, without much success, in the last century.
 
roman said:
Circulation may be dwindling but the papers continue to exert an influence in older age groups. They are owned by very wealthy people with an agenda which they hammer home on a daily basis, peddling lies in bold, their occasional apologies buried with the elasticated trouser adds on page 40.

The papers still set the agenda for other forms of media. A look at the front pages last thing on newsnight or whatever and a springboard for radio phone in shows the next day, all backed up of course with their own websites for those wanting to pollute their minds even more.

Whatever their overall impact, the fact they are four fifths right wing is a big problem.
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As I said earlier they just reflect already entrenched views, a daily mail reader is unlikely to vote Labour. Journalists may be interested in what the papers say but they are a very small unrepresentative example.

Data is king these days, the likes of Facebook & Google wield the real influence. Online is 60% of the market.

I've worked in media for 25 years, the last 3 have probably contained more change in terms of consumption habits than the other 22.

Regional press is on its knees. Press is far less influential now than in its entire history. TV is more fragmented than ever.

The key tactic is to bypass traditional media altogether & micro target the key marginals. The Tories are doing this as are Labour.
 
Stunsworth said:
As someone who happened to be a student in 1975 that's laughable. We were far more extreme than Corbyn is now.

As much as I think it was a mistake to elect Corbyn as Labour leader, I'm struggling to see anything Marxist in his proposals, they're more like Nordic socialism.

Of course it could be that you just want a 'strong leader' to clear the Augean stables. That was tried, without much success, in the last century.
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I would take issue with the comparison, and have already done so several times on these pages. For a start the Nordics are free-market economies with private ownership of companies. As far as I am aware they don't sequestrate corporate and private assets. They are anyway entirely different economies to our own, and far smaller.

I would also take issue with the entire precept of Corbyn's 'proposals' when set against the political backgrounds of Corbyn and Mcdonnell. Corbyn himself has become quite adept at masking his long-held Marxist/socialsit beliefs. Mcdonnell makes no secret of it.

Capital 'S' Socialism was also tried, and with very considerably less success, in the 1970s. And 60s, and 50s, and indeed in the 1980s, 90s, and into this century. It laid waste to every economy that it touched.

Has JC renounced his fawning admiration for the late Hugo Chavez yet, incidentally?
 
Woodface said:
As I said earlier they just reflect already entrenched views, a daily mail reader is unlikely to vote Labour. Journalists may be interested in what the papers say but they are a very small unrepresentative example.

Data is king these days, the likes of Facebook & Google wield the real influence. Online is 60% of the market.

I've worked in media for 25 years, the last 3 have probably contained more change in terms of consumption habits than the other 22.

Regional press is on its knees. Press is far less influential now than in its entire history. TV is more fragmented than ever.

The key tactic is to bypass traditional media altogether & micro target the key marginals. The Tories are doing this as are Labour.
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Obviously that's the direction of travel but I contend that a story like labour/corbyn anti-Semitism belongs largely to traditional media.
 
Stunsworth said:
Schadenfreude personified. The woes of the Brexit party...

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...farage-life-support-general-election-campaign
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There, he told members he was putting country before party and deciding not to split the leave vote. Farage was pegging this dramatic change in direction rather flimsily on a video he had seen on Twitter by Boris Johnson, in which he promised he would not accept an extension of the transition period for Britain leaving the EU beyond the end of 2020.
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Liar gets conned by liar. Oh dear. What a shame. Never mind.
 
Headlines everywhere about Tory advisor being punched. Check out the Mail now.

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Here's what actually happened https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1204091610843226112

Blatant and shameful lying to deflect from the Johnson reaction to the photo and change the narrative.

Note that Laura K has to add a "doesn’t look like punch thrown" rather than admitting there never was a punch thrown.
 
[I somehow inserted the wrong member quotation. I meant to reference the one about Joe Pike's interview with Johnson where BJ avoids looking at the photo of the child on a hospital floor, and pockets the reporter's phone.
This one by Notaclue: Look at the slimeball. Takes the phone and puts it in his pocket! https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1204018593656180736 ]

Joe Pike is utterly brilliant. Johnson just spouts his shit, but Pike keeps to his purpose, politely, curteously and in so doing allows Johnson to dig himself a very big hole. "You've taken my phone and put it in your pocket", an understated killer line. Bravo that man!
 
PhilofCas said:
Disgusting, https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-50713236, both for it to happen, then Johnson’s utterly disgraceful lack of empathy.
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Poor kid, mind you, you'd sleep anywhere when you feel like that, specially when you're a nipper. I had a similar experience with my own daughter a while back, I'd imagine countless people do.

Anyway, just as well he wasn't admitted into the QEUH in Glasgow though, eh?

So easy to jump onto the old political pointscoring bandwagon.
 
I’ve just done the unthinkable and looked at Mailonline to get to the truth about the Leeds incidents.
Every time I click refresh the story changes.

The general trajectory seems to go “Labour thugs assault Matt Hancock”...oh hang on...”someone brushed a sleeve”...”oh shit, what’s Boris done now?” Oh FFS”...”pass it off as a ‘bizarre incident’... “the North is hell made manifest, get me back to Surrey”.
 
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