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Does anyone in the North of England or Wales have a Denafrips Terminator I can listen to please?

SteveG said:
But you said yourself you haven't actually heard it FFS!
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Yes, so when I say it's a good DAC for the money that's obviously what I have gleaned from a critical review of the available literature, including reviews by Darko, Srajans, et al.
 
JimDog said:
Yes, so when I say it's a good DAC for the money that's obviously what I have gleaned from a critical review of the available literature, including reviews by Darko, Srajans, et al.
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Probably best to not go bleating on about absolute SQ etc. until you've actually heard it though.
 
JimDog said:
The problem with you as 'someone in the industry' is that you can't make a profit from it so you point out only possible negatives of a machine you haven't seen or heard.
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Not everyone in the industry is tarred with the same brush you make reference too here. Over the years I have brought many brands into the UK to represent them and they were all based on good engineering design, build quality and reliability and the company's long-standing reputation. Being an engineer I've seen enough from the pictures inside its case to know the design, its construction and component quality. Buyer beware is all I am going to say.
 
SteveG said:
absolute SQ
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Er, not aware of bleating.
Nor making any absolute claims.
Nor did I even claim to have heard it.
All I did claim was that many credible professional reviewers (as well as many credible amateur owners plus others who've listened to it) say it sound extremely good considering its cost.
 
G T Audio said:
Being an engineer I've seen enough from the pictures inside its case to know the design, its construction and component quality.
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Components seem rather good, e.g.:

CRYSTEK Flagship CCHD-957 Femto Clocks http://www.crystek.com/home/oscillator/clockdetail.aspx?pn=CCHD-957
Amanero usb input
power supplies with 250VA and 60VA toroidal transformers
Elna Silmic capacitors
https://www.hificollective.co.uk/components/elna_capacitors.html
http://www.elna.co.jp/en/capacitor/onkyou/silmic.html
WALT Jung voltage regulators

Which components did you consider to be poor and why?
 
JimDog said:
Components seem rather good

Which components did you consider to be poor and why?
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I take it you haven't heard of the fake electronic components that come out of China then...

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https://www.edn.com/electronics-blogs/all-aboard-/4426389/Counterfeit-threats-for-electronic-parts

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18155293

I assume you didn't consider my point about not having any UK support for this product and the infamous "repair and support facility in Italy" ?
Still, I am from a different era. The products I make are designed to last a lifetime, whereas DACs like these have a life expectancy of just a few years, if you're lucky...
 
Interesting pic in post #13 @G T Audio !

... a pcb layout 'needing' several -hundred capacitors is the opposite of good engineering, when one or two , well-chosen and a decent regulator would kick the putative problem -whatever it is - miles into the long grass.


Sigh. Another thing designed to be the proverbial 'Mug's eyefull' i.e. photographed with the lid off, as opposed to listened-to.
(For everyone else - this is nothing about the chosen conversion technical approach- just the utterly horrid choices made in implementing it)

PS and Jimdog, Walt Jung doesn't give his name to any 2nd/3rd party regulators. He freely gave a developed roadmap to design great ones, and was closely involved in just one DIY PCB layout (the ALWSR): but does not certify any others as such, and in fact, has in the past asked other people/suppliers to stop calling their implementation after his - because it's the fine detail that matters. Make of that what you will; the best one can say is 'inspired by' - and the devil is in the details.
 
G T Audio said:
I take it you haven't heard of the fake electronic components that come out of China then...

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https://www.edn.com/electronics-blogs/all-aboard-/4426389/Counterfeit-threats-for-electronic-parts

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18155293

I assume you didn't consider my point about not having any UK support for this product and the infamous "repair and support facility in Italy" ?
Still, I am from a different era. The products I make are designed to last a lifetime, whereas DACs like these have a life expectancy of just a few years, if you're lucky...
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I think this is a cheap shot based on very little fact. I dont own one of these but considered a lower priced version from the company.

Your quip about many capacitors seems strange. There are many mature designs that tend to go this route to squeeze more high frequency response from PS.

Capacitor issues come and go, but the electrolyte problems from a several years ago are pretty much gone. It was a nasty business, industrial espionage and all that. But its gone and insinuation that this DAC maker is tainted by virtue of making his boards in China is dirty pool.
 
I had a Chinese headphone amp some years ago, very keenly priced decent sound and stuffed with ‘cerafine’, ‘wima’ an ‘alps’ pot etc. You felt the components should have had ‘alleged’ printed in front of the brand name. I didn’t believe for a minute they were genuine.
 
DimitryZ said:
I think this is a cheap shot based on very little fact. I dont own one of these but considered a lower priced version from the company.
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So you didn't buy one either? Why was that?

BTW the whole thing is made in China, not just the parts. No CE marking either, according to the photos and yet another manufacturers website that has no location address or contact details and no mention of the designer(s). That really gives you confidence, does it not?
 
G T Audio said:
So you didn't buy one either? Why was that?

BTW the whole thing is made in China, not just the parts. No CE marking either, according to the photos and yet another manufacturers website that has no location address or contact details and no mention of the designer(s). That really gives you confidence, does it not?
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Do you ever smile Graham? Maybe at the little things in life ... a butterfly, or a flower for instance.

You come across on here as a bitter man. This constant negativity towards manufacturing in other countries is so tiresome. Any chance you could pack it in please? It’s boring.
 
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