Stunsworth
pfm Member
Jeremy’s not happy...
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...shuffle-after-labour-split-on-new-brexit-vote
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...shuffle-after-labour-split-on-new-brexit-vote
Wonder if Marr will ask Gove who his supplier was.
Looks like one inside source for one bit of negative briefing, one different inside source for another, with a little legerdemain to make it seem like there are multiple sources for both, while the blame for all kinds of skullduggery somehow gets funnelled into the lap of the unions. Great journalism.
Gardiner correctly stated that the only thing that can stop a hard Tory Brexit is a vote of no confidence in the Tory government trying to implement it.Barry Gardiner is on Marr. He says we are at the point where Labour want a second referendum.
So is this the official Labour stance? asked Marr.
Gardiner talked around this.
So everybody in the Shadow Cabinet are in favour of this, said Marr, apart from Corbyn.
Gardiner didn't say yes or no. What a surprise. Not.
Instead he said the only weapon Labour have got is a vote of no confidence in the government.
Has that cleared things up? I thought not.
Jack
Wonder if Marr will ask Gove who his supplier was.
But Max! In Scotland, when people vote away from the SNP, the Tories Westminster seats increased from 1 (one) to 12 (twelve), 6 (six) more than Labour managed to gain.Gardiner correctly stated that the only thing that can stop a hard Tory Brexit is a vote of no confidence in the Tory government trying to implement it.
This vote of no confidence put forward by Labour would require the support of remain Tory MPs if it were to be successful.
A general election would follow.
A Tory majority win would mean a hard Brexit.
A Labour majority win would mean either a softer Brexit, or a referendum.
Any votes in such an election not for Labour would help enable a Tory hard Brexit.
Welcome to the world of Realpolitik.
Gardiner correctly stated that the only thing that can stop a hard Tory Brexit is a vote of no confidence in the Tory government trying to implement it ...
Brexit threatens the end of the Tory Party, so the Tory Party is going to f—k the country in order to save its own skin-
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...eu-brexit-divorce-bill?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
“Boris Johnson has vowed to withhold Britain’s £39bn Brexit “divorce” payment until the EU agrees better terms for the UK to leave.
Withholding the cash, scrapping the Northern Ireland backstop, guaranteeing the rights of all EU citizens in Britain while stepping up preparations for a No Deal “disruption” in the wake of no deal are among measures the government would carry out if he was elected leader of the Conservative party, he said.
Failure to deliver Brexit, with or without a deal, by the October 31 deadline threatened the Tory party’s very survival, he warned. He said he thought it “extraordinary” the UK agreed to write the so-called divorce cheque before having the final deal signed”.
Gardiner correctly stated that the only thing that can stop a hard Tory Brexit is a vote of no confidence in the Tory government trying to implement it.
This vote of no confidence put forward by Labour would require the support of remain Tory MPs if it were to be successful.
A general election would follow.
A Tory majority win would mean a hard Brexit.
A Labour majority win would mean either a softer Brexit, or a referendum.
Any votes in such an election not for Labour would help enable a Tory hard Brexit.
Welcome to the world of Realpolitik.
Gardiner correctly stated that the only thing that can stop a hard Tory Brexit is a vote of no confidence in the Tory government trying to implement it.
This vote of no confidence put forward by Labour would require the support of remain Tory MPs if it were to be successful.
A general election would follow.
A Tory majority win would mean a hard Brexit.
A Labour majority win would mean either a softer Brexit, or a referendum.
Any votes in such an election not for Labour would help enable a Tory hard Brexit.
Yes, as has been mentioned before, the best result for a remainer would be the one they can’t vote for.Nonsense. It misses out the most likely option i.e. that neither Tory/Brexit or Labour get an outright majority and the SNP/LibDem and others (with maybe getting towards 100 seats) will force Labour to hold a 2nd referendum with Remain being one of the options. So voting for SNP, LibDem or Green in seats where they can win is going to be by far the best option for those who still see remaining in the EU as the safest option. Voting for Labour in seats where they could win and the remain parties couldn't may make tactical sense however - as long as it's not giving Labour an outright majority which would of course be a disaster.
How do the Tories not either win a majority, or gain the biggest vote share and are thus tasked with forming a coalition, if, as you expect the Lib Dems and Greens do very well at Labour's expense?Nonsense. It misses out the most likely option i.e. that neither Tory/Brexit or Labour get an outright majority and the SNP/LibDem and others (with maybe getting towards 100 seats) will force Labour to hold a 2nd referendum with Remain being one of the options. So voting for SNP, LibDem or Green in seats where they can win is going to be by far the best option for those who still see remaining in the EU as the safest option. Voting for Labour in seats where they could win and the remain parties couldn't may make tactical sense however - as long as it's not giving Labour an outright majority which would of course be a disaster.
Well, from what we have seen from Peterborough, and the EU elections, the Tories look likely to lose at least as many supporters to these other parties as Labour, and probably more.How do the Tories not either win a majority, or gain the biggest vote share and are thus tasked with forming a coalition, if, as you expect the Lib Dems and Greens do very well at Labour's expense?
IMO it is simply inconceivable that the Tories would allow the Brexit Party to run in a GE, because the Tories could not then win it.Well, from what we have seen from Peterborough, and the EU elections, the Tories look likely to lose at least as many supporters to these other parties as Labour, and probably more.
Any votes in such an election not for Labour would help enable a Tory hard Brexit.
He'd go for it because his party would also lose votes to the Tories.I don’t see Farage going for that, if I’m honest. Too much ego invested in it.
Maybe not.Secondly, not sure he has the resources to put up a candidate in every constituency.
He would demand a DUP style £1/2/3 billion pound bung for such an arrangement for his party to spend in their constituencies!I don’t see Farage going for that, if I’m honest. Too much ego invested in it.
Secondly, not sure he has the resources to put up a candidate in every constituency.