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Phono stages.

Discussion in 'audio' started by mikegreenwood, Jun 30, 2016.

  1. Foot Tapper

    Foot Tapper Foot Tapper

    Naim Superline with the right resistor and a Supercap DR power supply is my favourite sounding stage so far. But it's about £7k new...

    Compared a Trilogy 907 with an Aurorasound Vida and preferred the Vida by a reasonable margin.

    I still like what the humble Dynavector P75 does, while recognising that it isn't in the same league as those mentioned above.

    I also tried a Whest PS30 RDT SE but at the Whest premises in a system that I am not familiar with. DIY turntable, Bruer arm, Ortofon Anna cartridge, Modwright pre-amp with external power supply feeding active ATC150 speakers. Sounded clinical and un-musical, though this was almost certainly not due to the phono stage, so will try one of the Whest PS.40RDT stages at some point.

    Hope this helps, FT
  2. Pac1

    Pac1 Designer/Manufacturer

    Absolutely agree with this. Providing the power amp has enough juice for the speakers it's driving, and low distortion, to my mind the phonostage in a vinyl system is by far the more important amplification component.

    Of all the SS phonostages I've heard, the Aurasound Vida is up there with some of the best I've heard but a good quality valve phonostage to my ears just has that something extra. Having recently been disappointed with some of the SS stages I've tried with a view to purchase, I've largely given up on them and will probably now invest in a Tron. Nothing has come close at or anywhere near the price as the Tron Convergence I had in the system for a dem some months back.
  3. RedFish

    RedFish Member

    Pass Labs XP15 - Vastly superior to anything I've used before. Can't see myself ever changing from this tbh.
  4. Orbe Chaser

    Orbe Chaser pfm Member

    I have a DV P75 mk3, bought it to partner a DV10x5 cart, & although I have had little time to listen properly due to moving house & it being like a builders yard, I like what it does, although I found it a bit noisy it wasn't too intrusive. I freely admit I haven't given it a lot of time due to the above, & on a whim I bought a Firebottle Plus, straight away the sound improved tremendously, I was shocked at the difference. Dead quiet too. It has all been put away again now for a few days while we have a new central heating system & kitchen fitted, but just a short time with the Firebottle has left a deep impression, can't wait to get listening again.
  5. GJO

    GJO pfm Member

    Also agree,my current NVO SPA 11,at current retail is roughly twice the price of my amp and thats not including a Koetsu SUT.

    Over the years and having had several phono stage bake off's at my place,we have had the opportunity to try numerous stages including Whest's,Puresounds,TEAD,EAR,Croft,Art etc and also numerous SUT's.

    Prior to the NVO I was using an ARC PH5 for some 10 years,the only phono that came close for me was the Art,but adding the Koetsu SUT to the PH5 changed things quite significantly.One thing we have noted over the years is the miss match when swapping in and out SUT's,what you would expect to work sometimes just doesn't.

    The owner of the Art,now has the Vida and have to agree,it is easily the best SS phono I have ever heard,it will making a visit to my place in the near future.
  6. FT,
    What TT do you use now?
  7. Mr.Nic

    Mr.Nic pfm Member

    Interesting - where did you get the Firebottle from? I'd be interested in adding one to my second system.

    YNWOAN 100% Analogue

    You get them direct from Alan the designer and maker - he posts on AoS and there is a loan sample if you want to try it.
  9. Foot Tapper

    Foot Tapper Foot Tapper

    Hi Barry
    You may recall from the dim & distant past (until circa 6 years ago) it was an LP12. That was replaced by a Roksan Xerxes 20+, upgrade plinth, reference power supply, Artemiz 2 arm & DV XX-2 cartridge.

    A year ago, the Xerxes was traded in for one of these:

    It's the baby Vertere turntable with the cheap (!) arm and a DV XX-2 mk2.
    Several members of the Naim Norfolk & Suffolk phonographic society have had a listen to it and reckon that it can just about carry a tune. I quite like it too. Just as well really.

    Best regards, FT
  10. Orbe Chaser

    Orbe Chaser pfm Member

    I bought mine very recently from a guy on the WigWam, who in turn got it direct from Alan over on Art of Sound, his name is Firebottle (who would believe it) over there & yes I do believe you can request one to try out before you buy as someone above said.

    If you try it I am pretty sure you will buy one :)
  11. Ah,
    I remember now.
    Naim used one at Abbey Road Studios with the Statement and The Beatles Mono vinyl box set at a music mag Press launch a few years ago.
    With a massive pair of awful sounding Focal speakers.
  12. Mike Reed

    Mike Reed pfm Member

    This is what I have, but without the DR, and am inclined to agree with you, though I have little experience of others. This combo may be circa £7K new, but S'line, Burndy and S'cap can be had for a little over two grand used.

    You mention Suffolk and Norfolk Naim Society; what on Earth is this? (I'm in Norwich :)), not that I'm all Naim, though.
  13. Mike,
    He got the name wrong.
    Its the West Norfolk Phonographic Society,Unless James has changed the name over the last eleven years?
    Its a bunch of really nice people that meet up round each others homes to listen to great music on good systems and drink tea,Lots of tea and biscuits.
    And cake.:cool:
  14. Its easy to join.
    All you have to do is send me three fresh Cromer Crabs in the post for Sunday lunch and post a selfie of yourself running naked into the sea on here.:D
  15. Foot Tapper

    Foot Tapper Foot Tapper

    Good job you didn't forget the cake Barry, as that's the most important bit, largely thanks to Tony's better half!!!
  16. James

    James Lord of the Erg\o/s

    The Firebottle looks interesting. Can anyone tell me the asking price, and how to get in contact with its maker?
  17. You wont remember the pictures Mike's CD555 Cake.
    Jon Honeyball's partner bakes great cakes if you ever get the chance to go round for a listen to his system.
    Sorry for going a bit off thread.
  18. Foot Tapper

    Foot Tapper Foot Tapper

    Indeed, I remember seeing pictures of that amazing CD555 cake at the time.

    Jon was also kind enough to let me hear his system with a Naim S1 pre-amp in it. Now that was memorable indeed. I returned the favour a few months ago, when Jon joined J.N & Tony M for a listen at our place.

    Getting back on the thread, I think Jon used a Linn Ulrika after trying a superline first.
  19. Chris

    Chris pfm Member

    James, The guy who makes the Firebottle frequents the Art of Sound forum where he has a demo phono stage doing the rounds. His nick is 347alant or something like that. Good guy.
  20. Suffolk Tony

    Suffolk Tony pfm Member

    Can't remember If we received your remittance for the cake Mr FT...

    Yes, indeed your record player sounded pretty fine when I had a listen. Very impressed with the speakers too.

    Regarding the West Norfolk Phonographic Society, to give it its correct title (other makes are available) is an informal gathering on an irregular basis (I'm a member of the Suffolk cadre). We haven't had a large get-together for a while, but new members of the similarly afflicted are always most welcome when we do! You'd be most welcome Mike.

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