ks.234
Half way to Infinity
no it's not.
I've said many times that it didn't happen in a vacuum. Once more, with feeling...
nobody has said that it did happen in a vacuum.
no it's not.
I've said many times that it didn't happen in a vacuum. Once more, with feeling...
One of the most important factors in determining life expectancy is the prevalence of peri-natal death and infant mortality. Prior to advancement in midwifery and the development of antibiotics, this was astonishingly high. When the average age of death of a population with high infant mortality is calculated this can give a misleading impression that everyone dies young. Of course, life expectancy is now way beyond what our grandparents, and even our parents enjoyed, but average calculations can conceal a multitude of sins,Without digging into the stats I'm also wondering whether a rapid decrease in infant mortality has affected the overall life expectancy rate - another of the very best things about modern healthcare.
And I didn't say that anybody did.nobody has said that it did happen in a vacuum.
Aye. Ah reckon tha will.I think I’ve said all I have to say and we’re beginning to round in circles. I didn’t really expect a meeting of minds so I’ll continue to draw my knowledge of the Industrial Revolution and its effects from my previously cited sources. Ah’ll see thee.
Yes, a better statistic is the average for those who make it to adulthood.One of the most important factors in determining life expectancy is the prevalence of peri-natal death and infant mortality. Prior to advancement in midwifery and the development of antibiotics, this was astonishingly high. When the average age of death of a population with high infant mortality is calculated this can give a misleading impression that everyone dies young. Of course, life expectancy is now way beyond what our grandparents, and even our parents enjoyed, but average calculations can conceal a multitude of sins,
Yeah, but besides the roads, amphitheaters, baths, housing, law, literature, wealth and flourishing trade, what have the Romans ever given us?
Crucifixions?
Barabbas has a lot to answer for.Too good for some of 'em.
Barabbas has a lot to answer for.
Sounds painful that does...Barabbas has a lot to answer for.
Yes. The Industrial Revolution is far too compromised to be something worthy of pride.
no it's not.
I don't quite see the point of passing, a couple of centuries later, a kind of moral-ideological-political judgement of the Industrial Revolution. It was historically inevitable, and also took place, at various times, in the rest of Europe, in the United States and Japan. It could not have "not happened." It had to happen when the economic, technological and social circumstances brought it about.ks.234 said:
You’re proud of the overcrowding, disease, the poverty, the filth, the connection to slavery, child exploitation, adult exploitation, the growth of inequality, declining health outcomes etc etc? You don’t think any of those things dent that pride at all?
Did these not already exist in an agricultural society? And transportation of slaves to the New World was for agriculture, not for industry.slavery, child exploitation, adult exploitation, the growth of inequality
To say that the Industrial revolution is worthy of pride *is* passing a moral judgement.I don't quite see the point of passing, a couple of centuries later, a kind of moral-ideological-political judgement of the Industrial Revolution. It was historically inevitable, and also took place, at various times, in the rest of Europe, in the United States and Japan. It could not have "not happened." It had to happen when the economic, technological and social circumstances brought it about.
Also, what is its connexion to
Did these not already exist in an agricultural society? And transportation of slaves to the New World was for agriculture, not for industry.
As for "pride" or "non pride," I don't really see the point, although I can see that it is pleasant to think that "my tribe" did something important. But, speaking as a mongrel multinational, I do not feel my bosom bursting with pride if I think that Leonardo Da Vinci and Enzo Ferrari were Italian, that modern computers were developed in America, or that Einstein, Marx, Freud and Kubrick were Jews.
Time to invent a ironing machine that does the wash once the program has finished then. I'm ok to hang them up after the wash and spin is finished.Apropos nothing much at all, it might be argued that the technology that released the greatest number of people from serfdom was the electric washing machine, I should imagine almost certainly a 20th century American development of an invention that may be either British or German, but which both predates and postdates the IR. Who cares which country it came from, it is probably the greatest liberator of all.
Sorry to puncture your Euro-pride, but it was an all-American invention:Apropos nothing much at all, it might be argued that the technology that released the greatest number of people from serfdom was the electric washing machine, I should imagine almost certainly a 20th century American development of an invention that may be either British or German, but which both predates and postdates the IR. Who cares which country it came from, it is probably the greatest liberator of all.
I've already said, no. Read what I wrote. I'm not typing it all again.You’re proud of the overcrowding, disease, the poverty, the filth, the connection to slavery, child exploitation, adult exploitation, the growth of inequality, declining health outcomes etc etc?