ks.234
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nobody has said that it did happen in a vacuum.
What does it mean to you to be English?
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nobody has said that it did happen in a vacuum.
Finnegan
I like a bit of a cavort
One of the most important factors in determining life expectancy is the prevalence of peri-natal death and infant mortality. Prior to advancement in midwifery and the development of antibiotics, this was astonishingly high. When the average age of death of a population with high infant mortality is calculated this can give a misleading impression that everyone dies young. Of course, life expectancy is now way beyond what our grandparents, and even our parents enjoyed, but average calculations can conceal a multitude of sins,
And I didn't say that anybody did.
Aye. Ah reckon tha will.
Yes, a better statistic is the average for those who make it to adulthood.
ks.234
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Crucifixions?
ks.234
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Seeker_UK
Feelin' nearly faded as my jeans
Too good for some of 'em.
ks.234
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Barabbas has a lot to answer for.
Seeker_UK
Feelin' nearly faded as my jeans
Pardon?
Tarzan
pfm Member
Sounds painful that does...
ks.234
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You’re proud of the overcrowding, disease, the poverty, the filth, the connection to slavery, child exploitation, adult exploitation, the growth of inequality, declining health outcomes etc etc? You don’t think any of those things dent that pride at all?
PaulMB
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I don't quite see the point of passing, a couple of centuries later, a kind of moral-ideological-political judgement of the Industrial Revolution. It was historically inevitable, and also took place, at various times, in the rest of Europe, in the United States and Japan. It could not have "not happened." It had to happen when the economic, technological and social circumstances brought it about.
Also, what is its connexion to
Did these not already exist in an agricultural society? And transportation of slaves to the New World was for agriculture, not for industry.
As for "pride" or "non pride," I don't really see the point, although I can see that it is pleasant to think that "my tribe" did something important. But, speaking as a mongrel multinational, I do not feel my bosom bursting with pride if I think that Leonardo Da Vinci and Enzo Ferrari were Italian, that modern computers were developed in America, or that Einstein, Marx, Freud and Kubrick were Jews.
ks.234
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To say that the Industrial revolution is worthy of pride *is* passing a moral judgement.
To note that much of Europe and the US and Japan also industrialised is another argument against the idea that what happened in the UK was exceptional worth of English pride.
eternumviti
Insufficient privileges to reply.
Apropos nothing much at all, it might be argued that the technology that released the greatest number of people from serfdom was the electric washing machine, I should imagine almost certainly a 20th century American development of an invention that may be either British or German, but which both predates and postdates the IR. Who cares which country it came from, it is probably the greatest liberator of all.
richardg
Admonishtrator
Time to invent a ironing machine that does the wash once the program has finished then. I'm ok to hang them up after the wash and spin is finished.
Minio
Kind of Sort of Not really...
To take a place at any particular time and say how proud you are of it is a bit arbitrary.
I recently visited a Victorian pumping station preserved for posterity because it is, I would say, something to be proud of.
Prior to it being built water supplies were hard to access and a source of disease.
The town could then comply with the 1848 Public Health Act. Something that socialists could be proud of as well. Not that there were many of them about.
I recently visited a Victorian pumping station preserved for posterity because it is, I would say, something to be proud of.
Prior to it being built water supplies were hard to access and a source of disease.
The town could then comply with the 1848 Public Health Act. Something that socialists could be proud of as well. Not that there were many of them about.
PaulMB
pfm Member
Sorry to puncture your Euro-pride, but it was an all-American invention:
Thor washing machine - Wikipedia
But was it something to be proud of? It destroyed the social intercourse that women enjoyed when they met around the local washing fountain or river bank. No longer would their crystalline voices singing traditional washing songs, punctuated by grunts and the sound of wet cloth being pounded on stone, be heard drifting across the fields. No longer would their husbands be free to smoke their pipes in the house.
I've already said, no. Read what I wrote. I'm not typing it all again.