I have just discovered this section of the forum. Reading through it remided me of an incident from many years ago. A small group of us, failed jazz musicians all, had started discovering classical music. My great friend John Snee, bricklayer, trombonist and the one of us with greatest knowledge of classical music said: 'I'll tell you what the greatest music ever written is... ' We put down our pints and waited in something approaching awe. And he went on: 'Beethoven's Piano Trios.' We all said something like, 'Really?' He put down his pint and replied, with a look of wry wisdom, 'Yes, almost as good as his sonatas and string quartets.'