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The one thing we know about David Cameron is he can be bought. As ever with Tories if you want to know what they are thinking start by looking in their pockets. I don’t know what financial links Cameron has to Israel, but Sunak is connected very firmly via Infosys.
 
Tony L said:
The one thing we know about David Cameron is he can be bought. As ever with Tories if you want to know what they are thinking start by looking in their pockets. I don’t know what financial links Cameron has to Israel, but Sunak is connected very firmly via Infosys.
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He's a very long-standing member of Tory Fiends of Israel for starters
 

Owen Jones with horrific details of IDF torture camps. The worst Nazi horrors brought back to reality by Netanyahu’s terror state.
 
Tony L said:
The one thing we know about David Cameron is he can be bought. As ever with Tories if you want to know what they are thinking start by looking in their pockets. I don’t know what financial links Cameron has to Israel, but Sunak is connected very firmly via Infosys.
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And BP.

John
 
droodzilla said:
That's why Kantianism > Utilitarianism.
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Are they mutually exclusive? I must admit I don't know very much about the various philosophical belief systems, but just doing a quick search seems to imply there's not a huge amount of difference between the two. Or at the least, that they don't immediately appear to be mutually exclusive?

Also, is there really anybody (apart from the people who the systems are named after) that really subscribes and lives their life to a singular philosophical system in practice? I'd argue that most people have at best "leanings" towards one or the other but in practice are a mix of behaviours and beliefs. Talking generally here, not specifically about the two above.

Edited: Nevermind, ignore my question. It would appear that they are mutually exclusive.
 
Here’s what I don’t get. Simple bloke that I am obviously. If you telegraph intentions for several weeks e.g. Rafah about a specialist counterterrorism operation and then step up activities ordering everyone to leave the vicinity what exactly, other than the territory, is the point? The terrorists aren’t going to hang around with labels on waiting to be picked off. They left with everyone else. It’s a total sham.

What am I missing?
 
Jubal said:
Here’s what I don’t get. Simple bloke that I am obviously. If you telegraph intentions for several weeks e.g. Rafah about a specialist counterterrorism operation and then step up activities ordering everyone to leave the vicinity what exactly, other than the territory, is the point? The terrorists aren’t going to hang around with labels on waiting to be picked off. They left with everyone else. It’s a total sham.

What am I missing?
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There are no terrorists. And no 'everyone else'.
Israel deems every male aged 14-84 a member of Hamas and therefore to be shot on sight.
You are right though: it is a total sham/genocide.
 
Tony L said:
As ever with Tories if you want to know what they are thinking start by looking in their pockets.
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True, but it's a behaviour that's not exclusive to Tories. The vast majority of humans, irrespective of their politics, behave this way. Both my parents used to work in a Union (I won't say which) and they often commented on how many decisions made within it were based on how the decision maker (or makers) would personally benefit financially.

I've seen far too many things in my life to believe that a persons political or religious beliefs (or lack of) in any way at all determine or predict their moral or ethical integrity.
 

‘UK complicit in Gaza carnage as long as it continues to sell arms to Israel’​

British charity Oxfam has called for “decisive action” to stop Israel killing thousands of more people, warning that the “appalling” human cost of a further escalation of the Israeli military offensive on Rafah will be “unconscionable”.
“Consensus in the international community is clear: as Israeli bombs fall on homeless, starving and wounded Palestinians, there are no longer any places of safety in Gaza, there are no functioning hospitals and there is extremely limited aid available,” a spokesperson said in a statement, calling on Britain to do its part to halt the “senseless deaths” by “suspending and revoking arms licences to Israel today”.
“The UK government will be complicit in this carnage as long as it continues to sell arms to Israel, in the knowledge that they are likely being used to kill and maim Gaza’s population.”

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Israel War on Gaza | Live updates | Today's latest from Al Jazeera

Israeli tanks seal off Rafah from the south and complete the encirclement of a ‘red zone’ as army operations expand.
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gez said:
Are they mutually exclusive? I must admit I don't know very much about the various philosophical belief systems, but just doing a quick search seems to imply there's not a huge amount of difference between the two. Or at the least, that they don't immediately appear to be mutually exclusive?

Also, is there really anybody (apart from the people who the systems are named after) that really subscribes and lives their life to a singular philosophical system in practice? I'd argue that most people have at best "leanings" towards one or the other but in practice are a mix of behaviours and beliefs. Talking generally here, not specifically about the two above.

Edited: Nevermind, ignore my question. It would appear that they are mutually exclusive.
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Yes, I was going to say they are usually seen as polar opposites.

I agree that most people are inconsistent jumbles of beliefs and behaviours - that's not necessarily a bad thing.
 
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A view of the [Eurovision] protest in Malmo [TT News Agency/Johan Nilsson via Reuters]
 
gez said:
Also, is there really anybody (apart from the people who the systems are named after) that really subscribes and lives their life to a singular philosophical system in practice? I'd argue that most people have at best "leanings" towards one or the other but in practice are a mix of behaviours and beliefs. Talking generally here, not specifically about the two above.
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That's a system for decision making in uncertainty from the American DoD -- it looks kind of utilitarian to me, lots of talk about consequences and maximisation.

How ordinary people decide what to do for the best is a big complex question, they have values, their life gets its meaning because they are part of a form of life which has values. . . .

This is not the place for this discussion though -- if @gavreid says, I'll delete the post!
 
Jubal said:
Here’s what I don’t get. Simple bloke that I am obviously. If you telegraph intentions for several weeks e.g. Rafah about a specialist counterterrorism operation and then step up activities ordering everyone to leave the vicinity what exactly, other than the territory, is the point? The terrorists aren’t going to hang around with labels on waiting to be picked off. They left with everyone else. It’s a total sham.

What am I missing?
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I don't think the Palestinians in Rafa can just pack their bags and leave.

There ae 1.4 million Palestinians in Rafa. They are all being required to stay there by the IDF, apart from 100,000 who have been vetted and ordered to move to a safe zone.
 
mandryka said:
I don't think the Palestinians in Rafa can just pack their bags and leave.

There ae 1.4 million Palestinians in Rafa. They are all being required to stay there by the IDF, apart from 100,000 who have been vetted and ordered to move to a safe zone.
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Jeez, 1.4m terrorists...what a lucky escape the world just had.
 
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