SteveS1
I heard that, pardon?
Looks like idle speculation, she has emphatically denied ruling herself out of anything.
US Election, November 2024
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Looks like idle speculation, she has emphatically denied ruling herself out of anything.
matthewr
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This is vey good fron Marcy Wheeler:
www.emptywheel.net
I like her argument that the best way out of this is for the evidentiary hearing to produce something obviously farcical which then gets appealed to the Supreme Court who then have to rule on the results of their own ruling.
Chief Justice John Roberts Just Invited President Biden to Pardon Nicholas Roske - emptywheel
Imagine how outrageous it would be for Joe Biden to pardon Nicholas Roske, the man who armed himself and showed up at Justice Kavanaugh's home threatening to kill him. Yet that is precisely what the Republican Justices did in response to an exactly equivalent threat facing Congress, Biden...
www.emptywheel.net
I like her argument that the best way out of this is for the evidentiary hearing to produce something obviously farcical which then gets appealed to the Supreme Court who then have to rule on the results of their own ruling.
DonQuixote99
pfm Member
The unacceptably farcical case is a cool concept. The pardon of Roske doesn't cut it though because it would be perfectly legal in any case. No one disputes that the president can pardon any federal defendant. The farcical case has to be some act that's would be illegal except for this presidential immunity that has been set up.This is vey good fron Marcy Wheeler:
Chief Justice John Roberts Just Invited President Biden to Pardon Nicholas Roske - emptywheel
Imagine how outrageous it would be for Joe Biden to pardon Nicholas Roske, the man who armed himself and showed up at Justice Kavanaugh's home threatening to kill him. Yet that is precisely what the Republican Justices did in response to an exactly equivalent threat facing Congress, Biden...
I like her argument that the best way out of this is for the evidentiary hearing to produce something obviously farcical which then gets appealed to the Supreme Court who then have to rule on the results of their own ruling.
zarniwoop
hoopy frood
How about just cancelling the election and staying in office?
wow&flutter
pfm Member
What’ll happen with tRumps sentencing in just over a weeks time?
zarniwoop
hoopy frood
It’s been postponed until September
wow&flutter
pfm Member
This b.....d is going to get away with it all isn’t he!
clivem2
pfm Member
If it’s still necessary….in other words if Trump’s lawyers win the argument that some of the evidence is now not admissible (which seems to be the case). Retrial or mis-trial?
AnilS
pfm Member
Seems like it.
MVV
pfm Member
Looks likely and Biden surrounded by ‘supporters’ telling him he ‘did good’ will enable Trump.
If it wasn’t so sad and stupid it would be sabotage. The longer I live the more I think I’m in a coma designed to test my credulity. It all started when Fenella Fudge and Boutros Boutros-Ghali made an appearance; I bought that and they’ve been ramping it up ever since!
SteveS1
I heard that, pardon?
I’m not reading anything into that at all. He will not be dropping out right up to the point he does if that is what is happening. The time to think he’s definitely not is August.
matthewr
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The fact that his response has been to basically disappear means he is either going to stop down or he is going to lose. You cannot in a close race have such a calamitous event and not respond with a clear and sustained demonstration that it's nothing to worry about and not expect to lose.
At which point it will, almost certainly, be Harris. Another candidate at this point seems to present even more problems.
So I go back to my first reaction on seeing the debate. It's impossible for him to continue and impossible for him to be replaced.
At which point it will, almost certainly, be Harris. Another candidate at this point seems to present even more problems.
So I go back to my first reaction on seeing the debate. It's impossible for him to continue and impossible for him to be replaced.
PaulMB
pfm Member
So, unless I'm mistaken, there are two possibilities:
1/ Biden declares himself incapable now. Harris takes over as President (Like Truman and LBJ) and has a few months to make her personality felt and convince the voters. She talks well and can be inspiring and has a certain "class" as a politician. She also has a very mixed ethnic background and a Jewish husband and this could strike a chord with many Americans.
2/ Biden steps down as candidate at the convention in August. Fighting within the party, uncertain choice
matthewr
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Harris doesn't really "talk well" -- she is not a natural orator and can come across as awkward. It's not so much that she is disliked as people just don't seem to warm to her and this is why she polls badly. In her favour, she is a former prosecutor and was excellent on committees where she got to use those skills and would do a good job of the expose and attack Trump aspect. She has also got through all the hoop jumping needed to be a viable national candidate that being a presidential candidate requires. I think she does also get Biden's campaign money (or at least its a lot easier for her to do this).
The argument for Shapiro or Whitmer is that they are both excellent candidates -- centrist candidates who just won big majorities -- and would almost certainly bring with them victory in one of the two big swing states. The downsides are it's very late in the process, it's not clear how any of this would work and both of them might nope the feck out of the whole proposition.
I don't think Biden would step down now. He would just announce he is not running and endorse Harris.
But overall I think we are just in uncharted territory.