Ukraine V
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TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
Spectacularly successful multiple drone strike on and subsequent sinking of the Russian guided missile corvette, Ivanovets.
Thats fewer missiles to rain down on the citizens of Ukraine.
Thats fewer missiles to rain down on the citizens of Ukraine.
Chefren
pfm Member
Russia is in a war economy, meaning military production is cannibalizing the civilian economy for workers and resources. Builing missiles, paying for it with cash reserves like raiding the national wealth fund, and shooting them into Ukraine is increasing GDP sure, but it's not providing any actual growth. What Russia is looking at is increasingly a tremendous crash once the war economy ends.
Here is a article about the situation: https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/how-putin-cannibalizes-the-russian-economy-to-fund-his-war
Already now, many regions are screaming for labour, which is one of the major reasons we are seeing such major infrastructure failures in Russia this winter; too much of the maintenance personnel has been mobilized or fled the country or recruited for wartime production. Another issue is poor availability of foreign replacement parts and machinery. You can see a podcast about the situation here:
Russian total export value in 2023 was 29% down from 2022 (source), and this is definitely due to sanctions.
Chefren
pfm Member
The assets themselves will hopefully at the end be used for post-war rebuilding in Ukraine.
Hopefully but the legalities I think prevent it, not sure though. Those assets yielded 4.3 billion Euros last year.
Chefren
pfm Member
Maybe the ICJ can order Russia to pay compensations and order the EU to release the seized assets for this purpose or some other similar legal solution can be found.
kensalriser
pfm Member
What legalities? It just needs political will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine wasn't legal, it didn't stop it.
Amber Audio
This is the Day
A staged process is being mooted:
A tax on profits from the frozen Russian assets, followed by the profits and eventually the assets themselves.
Good chance Canada will hand over to Ukraine the Russian AN-124 cargo plane they seized Feb 2022. Hopefully full of other seized assets.
A tax on profits from the frozen Russian assets, followed by the profits and eventually the assets themselves.
Good chance Canada will hand over to Ukraine the Russian AN-124 cargo plane they seized Feb 2022. Hopefully full of other seized assets.
Bart
pfm Member
Might as well go for it….Russia doesn’t recognise any laws it doesn’t like so their reaction will be the same whether sanctions are legal or not.
Enfield boy
pfm Member
Ah, the defence of Israel approach 
NeilR
pfm Member
Tucker Carlson has been recently photographed in the audience at the Bolshoi opera house in Moscow. Seems like he is over there to do an interview with Putin (according to the inside Russia youtube channel).
If this is indeed the case then it removes all doubts about him being a Russian asset.
If this is indeed the case then it removes all doubts about him being a Russian asset.
tones
Tones deaf
Given that the home of the brave and the land of the free (or at least its elected representatives) is about to sell Ukraine down the river, I think Timothy Garton Ash's article in today's Guardian is particularly appropriate:
www.theguardian.com
Vegetius's "Let him who desires peace prepare for war" unfortunately remains true. Unfortunately for Francis Fukuyama and his reputation, history did not end with the fall of the Soviet Union. Europe is a rich, resourceful continent. The danger is clear, Putin on one side, Trump and/or Trumpists on the other. Europe should be girding up its loins, wanting peace, but being prepared for Putin's next nasty trick (Baltics? Poland?).
As Putin and Trump threaten from east and west, Europe must stand up for itself | Timothy Garton Ash
In the 1950s European nations tried and failed to build a defence community. They should try again, says Guardian columnist Timothy Garton Ash
Vegetius's "Let him who desires peace prepare for war" unfortunately remains true. Unfortunately for Francis Fukuyama and his reputation, history did not end with the fall of the Soviet Union. Europe is a rich, resourceful continent. The danger is clear, Putin on one side, Trump and/or Trumpists on the other. Europe should be girding up its loins, wanting peace, but being prepared for Putin's next nasty trick (Baltics? Poland?).
tones
Tones deaf
Unfortunately true, but both of the named problems demand universal agreement and involvement, and so long as we have these ridiculous things called nation states that demand our allegiance, our money and our lives on the line for all sorts of selfish purposes, it's not going to happen.
As is arguable the House leadership which is being told what to do by an unelected ex-President who has eyes for Putin.
Another dose of realism.
omny.fm
Munk Dialogue with John Mearsheimer: why Ukraine needs to break ties with the West - Munk Debates Podcast
In May 2022, just a few months into the war between Russia and Ukraine, we convened a public debate in Toronto about whether the West needed to acknowledge Russia’s legitimate legitimate security interests in order to bring the conflict to a resolution. John Mearsheimer, one of the world’s...
omny.fm
Spraggons Den
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The Ukraine thread down on page 5. Not that long ago it was awash with arguments about the rights and wrongs of the Russian invasion.
Fast forward to the present day and the President in waiting of the US remarks it's ok for Putin to take any NATO country he fancies that doesn't meet its financial obligations to the alliance and not a single response.
Tut, tut. Talk about taking your eyes off the ball.
Fast forward to the present day and the President in waiting of the US remarks it's ok for Putin to take any NATO country he fancies that doesn't meet its financial obligations to the alliance and not a single response.
Tut, tut. Talk about taking your eyes off the ball.