KC Cantiaci
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Ed Balls parliamentary seat is in doubt so he might not be able to remain in a shadow post. He's asked for a recount apparently which suggests he lost by a tiny margin on the initial tally.
UK Election 2015 (part II)
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Ed Balls parliamentary seat is in doubt so he might not be able to remain in a shadow post. He's asked for a recount apparently which suggests he lost by a tiny margin on the initial tally.
Mullardman
Moderately extreme...
1974, from memory:
Tories. 40 % of the vote and Lab 38%. Lab got more seats.
Libs go 14% of vote and only 4% of seats.
Hardly a new issue.
Mull
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chris@panteg
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Wouldn't be sorry to see him go in all honesty.
Mullardman
Moderately extreme...
It's a scary time for the UK. The Tories have gone from an minority propped up by opportunists, to a majority which represents the interests of very few.
They have used the media to con the people.
There will be increased scapegoating, more NHS privarisation, more theft of public assets by the wealthy few.
The rich will get richer without lifting a finger.
The poor will get poorer whatever they do.
This is a sad day for UK society.
Mull
They have used the media to con the people.
There will be increased scapegoating, more NHS privarisation, more theft of public assets by the wealthy few.
The rich will get richer without lifting a finger.
The poor will get poorer whatever they do.
This is a sad day for UK society.
Mull
I wonder if voters in Scotland would agree with this simplistic analysis.
MVV
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In the longer term this may be a good thing. For a long time there has been no sense of choice, no vision. More like rival political supermarkets stocking all the same brands, a facsimile of democracy an illusion of choice. Perhaps the Labour party will get back to their values and begin to offer a real choice to voters.
I think the biggest worry (apart from partisan loyalties of supporters of losing parties) is the disparity between the pre-election and exit polls. In the past the pollsters have managed to forecast to the nearest seat due to the reliability and sophistication of the polling process. I think what we have seen is the manifestation of the 'guilty secret' vote. People are notoriously shy of admitting to an intention to vote for the 'nasty' parties. That they did so in such relatively high, surreptitious, numbers indicates a malaise within the electorate in the same way that FPTP is being regarded in the electoral system.
Why the disparity? I think it's down to the tendency for an ostensibly progressive (and mainly middle class-aspirant if not real) section of the population doing what always happens when living standards drop-they veer, if not lurch, to the right.
I suspect that an awful lot of people are slowly succumbing to the burden of personal debt within a context of general income deflation (in real terms). The only conclusion I can come to is that there is real, if unarticulated, worry out there. Which is reason for us all to worry.
Why the disparity? I think it's down to the tendency for an ostensibly progressive (and mainly middle class-aspirant if not real) section of the population doing what always happens when living standards drop-they veer, if not lurch, to the right.
I suspect that an awful lot of people are slowly succumbing to the burden of personal debt within a context of general income deflation (in real terms). The only conclusion I can come to is that there is real, if unarticulated, worry out there. Which is reason for us all to worry.
TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
I think your right, people would seem more willing to confess to transvestism or caravaning than to voting Tory and it's almost impossible to find a UKIP voter on PFM.
linnfomaniac83
I bet you can’t wheelie a unicycle!
I'm poorly, very poorly in fact and I can't work full time anymore... A genuinely scarey prospect. Especially at the age of 31.
At the moment I am still self sufficient but that may not last forever, if things go tits up for me business wise then I'm pretty much screwed... Disabled lone parent, not a good thing to be under a Tory government.
matthewr
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Unfortunately it seems to have gone back to it's core strength of electing one of the only two parties who don't think it should change. FPTP is a selfish meme that has infected our democracy.
KC Cantiaci
pfm Member
They chose PR for the Scottish Parliament so not sure why they would see this analysis as 'simplistic'. The game has changed so the system needs to change/adapt.
Not really a surprise is it? Pfm is hardly a platform for sensible debate. If anyone even hints towards either of those parties they are subject to pretty appalling abuse.
I voted LD by the way lol.
clifftaylor
Absolutely retired!
Hurrah!! DC has promised to "bring the UK together"......
And years ago people laughed at this as an outcome yet people voted for it then as now http://www.pinkfishmedia.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2594408&postcount=621
KC Cantiaci
pfm Member
But an issue becoming more obvious as we have more than the usual 2/3 parties that we have been used to for decades. The rise of the SNP, UKIP, Greens and others have shown that the electorate can't be pigeon holed into Labour and Tory anymore so the system/Parliament needs to reflect the electorate.
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