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Trump Part 17

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I keep seeing a (nearly 4 years now) mentally and emotionally deficient man swirling in a media-fed circus of attackers who are actually followers and don’t know it.

It’s like sitting a mentally deranged person in the town square with a mic, but rather than quick glances and whispered pity it’s an endless cycle of snark for personal release and media revenue.

If someone can point out any commercially motivated difference between a grifter hauling a drooling two-headed calf around in a covered wagon for paid viewing and Trump-social media world I’d love to hear it.
 
The whistleblower complaint that has triggered a tense showdown between the U.S. intelligence community and Congress involves President Trump’s communications with a foreign leader, according to two former U.S. officials familiar with the matter.

Trump’s interaction with the foreign leader included a “promise” that was regarded as so troubling that it prompted an official in the U.S. intelligence community to file a formal whistleblower complaint with the inspector general for the intelligence community

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trumps-communications-with-foreign-leader-are-part-of-whistleblower-complaint-that-spurred-standoff-between-spy-chief-and-congress-former-officials-say/2019/09/18/df651aa2-da60-11e9-bfb1-849887369476_story.html
 
Did he share the nuclear codes with Putin?

There has been speculation about a conversation he had with Putin on 31st July which was just before the whistleblower report was raised. Although nobody really knows other than the threshold for such a report is high. It's unlikely it's Trump sharing his pornhub login with Bolsonaro.
 
All the codes back then were simple, but they were simpler times.


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@matthewr
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@Marky-Mark

i really should stop posting late at night, but failing to do so this evening would have seriously interfered with sleep, mainly because i expect a lot better from the 3 of you -- in your own unique ways, of course.

i watched the BBC america news a few hours ago and they had on the washington post journalist who broke the trump-talking-with-foreign-leader story. it was all smiles, self-congratulation and almost no supporting facts. unidentified source says/claims trump said something to some foreign leader: dear readers and viewers, please fill in the blanks with your own extreme prejudices.

is this really different to the classic dog whistle tactics of the right? apart from quality of language, does it rise above a gossip piece in a supermarket magazine?

if we're truly concerned about what may have happened -- and i actually am -- should the story not be about congress failing to intervene immediately and informing the public? or maybe why congress is unable to do that? perhaps wonder why the greatest democracy on earth has such a catastrophic relationship with whistle-blowers? even better would be to use the incident as an excuse to argue for total transparency of government, including "intelligence" agencies -- you'd figure journalists would be all for it.

my second point is about the "norms" a couple of you have referenced. this is hardly a new attack, but it always strikes me as a fundamentally downton abby argument, which is baffling on lefty pfm. i certainly get the bit about not speaking like a charlatan or lying almost all the time. i part ways when the objections stray into the territory of saying things out loud that are only supposed to be understood. i really object when it comes to matters of war or rampant capitalism and the entire mainstream media lines up with authoritarian fervour. it's not just attacking trump from the right, it's an attack from a position not far off from the nazi right.

another part of these norms, which may be in play (we can't know definitively because the story reveals almost nothing, but i'm reacting to my perception of dominant assumptions) is the implicit moral superiority of the anglo world in terms of deciding which foreigners deserve punishment and should certainly not be spoken to casually over the phone. that definitely works well for a modern day anglo consumerist who doesn't need the extra pressure of worrying about really serious life-and-death social justice or racism/xenophobia as it occurs in non-domestic contexts. it can actually facilitate the scoring of some easy social media points, which is what political life seems mainly to be about at the moment.


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genuine (7 year-old) cuban rum bonus:

if the president should not have unsupervised conversations with foreign leaders over the telephone, then why can he do something equivalent at a g7 (or g-whatever) conference? we've all seen it happen with them seated side-by-side in those hotel lobby armchairs or at dining room table. can he have private conversations with anyone? are there actual laws that anyone follows? again, in addition to what i pointed out above, shouldn't the washington post be asking these fundamental questions?
 
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i watched the BBC america news a few hours ago and they had on the washington post journalist who broke the trump-talking-with-foreign-leader story. it was all smiles, self-congratulation and almost no supporting facts. unidentified source says/claims trump said something to some foreign leader: dear readers and viewers, please fill in the blanks with your own extreme prejudices.

That's not the only evidence though. The story comes from the IG for whom the complaint passed a very high threshold ("urgent concern") so we know the complaint is credible and serious. We also know from the behaviour of the DNI and the DOJ that the story is serious and concerns someone senior in the Whitehouse and very probably Trump.

if we're truly concerned about what may have happened -- and i actually am -- should the story not be about congress failing to intervene immediately and informing the public? or maybe why congress is unable to do that? perhaps wonder why the greatest democracy on earth has such a catastrophic relationship with whistle-blowers?

Congress did alert the people. Specifically Schiff subpoenaed the Director of National
Intelligence to compel the production of the complaint to the house committee and that's how we know about the story. Also the whistleblower arrangements here are excellent as it's covered by a specific statute and the issue and a big part of the story is not concerns about whistleblowers but the fact that the political appointees (Acting DNI, William Barr) have been flagrantly ignoring the law.
 
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@DonQuixote99
@Marky-Mark

i really should stop posting late at night, but failing to do so this evening would have seriously interfered with sleep, mainly because i expect a lot better from the 3 of you -- in your own unique ways, of course.

i watched the BBC america news a few hours ago and they had on the washington post journalist who broke the trump-talking-with-foreign-leader story. it was all smiles, self-congratulation and almost no supporting facts. unidentified source says/claims trump said something to some foreign leader: dear readers and viewers, please fill in the blanks with your own extreme prejudices.

Hmm ... either I'm missing some context (and I don't have anyone blocked), or honest argument has been flushed. Wasn't it you who provided information from a vague source via CNN above in #1072? All I did was post a link to the story at commondreams.

My point to 'norm-shredding' -- beyond that it seems to be a new Trump-inspired phrase, and why I used it as link text (because it's included in the article) -- concerns standard whistle blower protocols: The law was, and is, being ignored and now challenged after the fact. That's truly become a Trump trademark, and I would argue nearly normalized ... or fully expected.
 
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