onlyconnect
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I am contemplating getting new speakers, any recommendations in the high quality, lowish price area?
Tim
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I am contemplating getting new speakers, any recommendations in the high quality, lowish price area?
Tim
I am contemplating getting new speakers, any recommendations in the high quality, lowish price area?
Tim
Tim, I believe speakers are the most personal of all the components. Some are great for rock and others for classical. Also room size must be considered. You have to go out and hear as many as you can.
Louballoo
Chefren
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Yes I know you were, however no-one listens in an anechoic chamber and in real life environments there is no one measured anechoic response plot that can represent the speaker sound as a whole in a room, which is what matters. Speaker design is well past that point in this day and age.
Is the power response of your preferred "as near perfect as it gets" speaker flat to +-2 dB? Do you even want it to be?
Cav
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If it can be heard by the poor thing that is the human ear it most certainly can be measured.
Cav
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What then is the reproduction of music?
onlyconnect
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Yes, but if price is no indicator of quality I would like a shortlist of the good cheap ones.
Looking for flat and extended frequency response, low distortion and fast transients.
Tim
Avonessence
Hiking Consistency Rapporteur
Definately worth a read, and it contains as much bollocks as you hear when looking to buy something.
Trust your ears, not reviews, not dealers, not articles, not manufacturers etc.
I think there may be an element of knowing those things are there, then "spotting" them.
FWIW, and I hope you don't take this the wrong way, there is no way I could live with big Tannoys in my system, so to an extent I guess I agree with the first post I quoted. I find them very unconvincing. There's always the caveat of different room acoustics, of course. And on top of that, we are all different, and we might be listening differently.
You are more than welcome to come up for a weekend, if you fancy, and bring your own music. For reasons beyond my control, I am Jazz central, these days.
Always fun...but poor old Serge simply does not grasp what is at issue. The problem is not what machines measure......but how we, as human beings, understand and interpret that signal. 'Sergeworld' sees people as test instruments on two legs.In fact, we can listen to some music, and then give utterly different descriptions of what we heard....which of your test instruments will sort that out Serge?
But, fun to rumble around in the undergrowth of schoolboy 'science'.
But, fun to rumble around in the undergrowth of schoolboy 'science'.
Brian
Eating fat, staying slim
What on earth are you about about? You think I believe in magic?
You should come to my house. You won't find any magic here. You won't find fancy equipment racks, though it has to stand on something so I bought one for £50 secondhand. You won't find fancy mains conditioners, or fancy plugs, or strange knots and cables suspended from the floor, or any of that fluff here, just a system that plays music the way I like it to sound. You really must be confusing me with someone else, so as I said, I'm really not sure what your problem is.
Earlier on you said Faithfulness to your own ideas of what sounds right is what counts.
This actually is EXACTLY what I've been saying all along. I said I agree with that comment, it has always been my position but apparently you know this isn't my position.
dave
Plywood King
Stop Press: I thought you hated jazz (or is it you are forced to listen by other members of the household?;-)
Thighsofsteel
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Back it up with something then. What is it about your choice of CD player that makes it more Transparent than a basic device.
Tony L
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To be honest I was only making the point as I feel Serge's argument is flawed, even if one remains within the parameters of replay kit. A whole other can of worms opens up when one starts thinking about what is actually on the tape, i.e. what is this truth you are trying to be true to? No one knows as one can only view it via tools which themselves contain distortion and colouration, i.e. can this "truth" only be unlocked using the exact monitor rig that recording was made with? That is certainly the way the artist and engineer made all the important decisions, and somewhat ironically my big old Tannoys start gaining points here as so many thousands of recordings were made with them as the reference point! From a historical perspective they are probably the most ubiquitous studio monitor after the NS10. My view is that one should accept that flaws are inherent in audio replay equipment and simply choose / balance the flaws according to personal taste, that is the only point I was trying to make. Any attempt to intellectualise it beyond that always reaches one of several logical impasses IME.
I certainly plan to at some point as it would be fun, though sadly ATCs are so far out of my price range as to be an utter irrelevance. If I go down the active monitor route it will be at the Even Opal, K&H O300 level, i.e. pretty decent nearfields.
Joe P
Memory Alpha incarnate | mod; Shatner number = 2
Thighs,
I'm not implying, by the way, that the CD2 is the pinnacle of high fidelity then or now. Perhaps it's beaten by many much cheaper options today, but it was the best CD player I heard that was within budget a decade and a half ago when I bought it.
Joe
* When it was working. The Sony went pfft a while ago.
You could phrase your comment less imperatively / more politely.
I don't have any measurements to back up my contention — I live in a house, not a lab — but to my ears my Naim CD2 sounds more like the real thing than my Sony DVD player.* I imagine it's down to a combination of things, possibly the Naim CD player having a better regulated, lower noise power supply, but as I said a page ago I have a cursory understanding of how digital works.
I'm not implying, by the way, that the CD2 is the pinnacle of high fidelity then or now. Perhaps it's beaten by many much cheaper options today, but it was the best CD player I heard that was within budget a decade and a half ago when I bought it.
Joe
* When it was working. The Sony went pfft a while ago.
Joe P
Memory Alpha incarnate | mod; Shatner number = 2
MVV,
No, I mean pfft. Although the Sony worked fine for many years, it started to have trouble playing anything but pristine DVDs. Most disc rentals became an exercise in futility, as the machine would either lock up or jump from scene to scene.
It eventually got the the point where even clean DVDs were a challenge. The straw that broke the camel's back was when it froze just as the Dude was explaining to Walter and Donny about the thugs who micturated on his rug.
That's my favourite scene, man, and it really ties the movie together... unless you're watching it on a Sony DVD player that's gone pfft.
Joe
No, I mean pfft. Although the Sony worked fine for many years, it started to have trouble playing anything but pristine DVDs. Most disc rentals became an exercise in futility, as the machine would either lock up or jump from scene to scene.
It eventually got the the point where even clean DVDs were a challenge. The straw that broke the camel's back was when it froze just as the Dude was explaining to Walter and Donny about the thugs who micturated on his rug.
That's my favourite scene, man, and it really ties the movie together... unless you're watching it on a Sony DVD player that's gone pfft.
Joe
Some very professionally conducted tests in which I participated demonstrated that CD was essentially transparent nearly twenty years ago.
Interestingly, an awful lot of players seem to have come to market since then that quite clearly are not.
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