What exactly is it in these 10k commercial streamers that can't be had for 1/10 of that money?
I could not believe the sanctimonious people that came telling me, and others, that we were 'hearing things' when we described the cables we liked. I still do not understand what motivates such people.
Risk.What exactly is it in these 10k commercial streamers that can't be had for 1/10 of that money?
Reason? Logic? Common Sense? A good understanding of The Laws of Physics and The Scientific Method? A healthy scepticism of magic beans? A belief in the power of expectation bias?
What puzzles me about this thread is that in his usual, poorly-written, hypocritical, faux hipster, half-baked, twatty sort of way, Darko takes a swipe (however vaguely targeted) at more or less everyone. "Especially" ? Hmmm. Aside from his wit being nearer to a bendy plastic sword than a rapier, it seems to exercise a particular fascination for fans of both selective reading and victimhood.Darko’s latest video made me laugh. I think he is describing everyone on this forum, especially the bit about DIY streamers.
Duckworp, why the constant need to play extol the belief in cable fairies?
At least our position is rational and evidence based.
I can see that if you compare a foo streamer with an RPi which is made in the millions. But the intriguing thing is that someone like Allo can manage to make a well-engineered digital transport board like the digione to add on to the pi, at which point it's difficult to make the case that there is any extra engineering in the foo streamer at allRisk.
When sold in "boutique" quantities of no more than a hundred or so (in today's market for such costly products) the manufacturer still has to recover the sunk costs to bring the product to the market. After tooling and other non-product-development costs there's often remarkably little left to do the engineering properly. The science behind these products has been well known for decades and it's all about the quality of engineering. One extra PCB cycle to fix some noise leakage? A software bug? Not in the budget!
If you add together all the anti-cable posts together you would come to hundreds of thousands of posts, hundreds of thousands of hours of time and for what?
I am, despite appearances to contrary, actually very sympathetic to this point of view. But no one really seems to have found a satisfactory solution to the problem that different people seem to have very different attitudes to how to approach a discussion about whether something "sounds better" or not.I don’t generally extol the general principal of cables making a difference. Except now.
I will happily discuss the benefits of different cables with others who have used them, as you might discuss the same on amps or speakers. Like the recent Ethernet discussion on this forum. This is then a constructive discussion as it informs what you might want to investigate and try out.
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Spend these energies educating people who want to learn instead of trying to educate people who have no interest in your education.
I am, despite appearances to contrary, actually very sympathetic to this point of view. But no one really seems to have found a satisfactory solution to the problem that different people seem to have very different attitudes to how to approach a discussion about whether something "sounds better" or not.
At one point IIRC the Wam had separate sub forums for those who just wanted to discuss their experiences and those who were interested in how things work. I don't think it lasted.
There are a number of other issues which get go into the mix including what is and isn't rude, the importance of cheapness/expense, whether people are soliciting advice and disucssion or not, whether forums should be a counterbalance to the predilections and shortcomings of the audio press, whether there exists something along the lines of hifi knowledge.
It would be convenient if people really could divide into groups based on an explicit rubric of whether they are in the slightest bit concerned how things work, and whether it matters to them whether the explanation for what they report is the same as the explanation they wish to give. Unforunately people with different approaches often post on the same thread. It may be that their posts are not really aimed at you, even if they are replying to things you say. Forums are complicated places.
I’ve only met very few posters on here, but that interaction has helped no end when being able to understand their posts.
And thank you too. Sadly I’m not very good at following my own advice.That is one of the most sensible things I have read on the matter. Thanks.
Why do you care so much about others having a different opinion?
I just think ignoring cables as a source of valued difference is a short cut to cheap happiness. I'd rather spend my time building a better mousetrap that I can measurably improve towards my goal of higher fidelity.
Ah, but... is a difference clearly heard by an individual evidence?...our position is rational and evidence based.