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The chaos of Ed

hermit

hermit

Aye, right.
The Tory campaign message offers the electorate a stark choice:

David Cameron today, quoted in the Guardian:

“Never forget this election is a choice. You can stick with the Conservatives, who’ve shown competence, who’ve shown decency, who’ve shown a long-term economic plan that has turned the country round or you can put that at risk.

You can choose an economy that grows, that creates jobs, that generates the money to ensure a properly funded and improving NHS, a government that will cut taxes for 30 million hardworking people and a country that is safe and secure.

Or you can choose the economic chaos of Ed Miliband’s Britain – over £3,000 in higher taxes for every working family to pay for more welfare and out-of-control spending. Debt will rise and jobs will be lost as a result.”
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Is anyone buying this?

I certainly don't associate decency and competence with the outgoing government. Tax cuts for high earners whilst imposing the bedroom tax. That's not decent. 49 deaths linked to benefit sanctions. That's not decent. The deficit: not eliminated as promised. A much vaunted economic recovery that is still stumbling and stuttering and is a hair's breadth from deflation and stagnation. So not exactly competent either when judged on their own terms.

Hey-ho. Not to worry. The alternative is the chaos of Ed. Project Fear has started.
 
'Political party A slags off political party B' shock horror. In other news, the Pope is revealed to be a Catholic and bears are spotted defecating in the woods.
 
Just how can a voter verify these figures and know who is telling the truth or something close to the truth?
 
When there's nothing even remotely positive to say about anything and the majority of the election detests you the only options are going negative or saying nothing at all. It's obvious which direction the Conservatives have chosen and it will only go downhill from this point! Welcome to the death rattle of our failing political system.
 
It's 48 suicides linked to benefits sanctions, let me edit this to give a more accurate figure..... in the year 2012...1,200 people died whilst in the "help back to work scheme", when asked about previous years figures researchers were quoted 600 quid and IDS has demanded the DWP stop handing the figures out anyway.
 
auric said:
Just how can a voter verify these figures and know who is telling the truth or something close to the truth?
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Stop listening to Cameron and just talk to people. Real people.

Of course if you live in the rural south and east you most likely wonder what all the lefty whining is about.

That Grant Schapps was on the telly tonight being interviewed by that other Tory Evan Davies.

I could tell Schapps was lying....His lips were moving.

But to be fair to Davis, he pressed Shapps on his record as 'Grant Green' and had the lying bastard squirming.

Mull
 
TBH, I reckon we'll see the back of the grasping hateful Tories.

I reckon a Lab/Lib Dem/Others coalition will see them back in the wilderness. Hopefully for good.

The bastards have been asset stripping my country as effectively a minority govt. for five years. I want them gone.
 
That would be the Tories talking about tax rises, the same Tories who said, "We have no plans to increase VAT"

Before 2010, Cameron and George Osborne repeatedly said that they had "no plans" to increase the tax before raising it to 20 per cent in their first Budget. (Cameron said during the campaign: "We have absolutely no plans to raise VAT. Our first budget is all about recognising we need to get spending under control rather than putting up tax.") Asked today whether the party would pledge to avoid another increase, Conservative chairman Grant Shapps replied: "Well I have absolutely no intention of writing future Budgets on your programme."

in other words, vote Tory ,vote for a rise in VAT in the very next budget.
 
Euan said:
Yeah lets vote Labour.

Coz Brown and Balls made such a good fist of it.

No pun intended.
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Are you hearing this?

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Is it getting through yet?

Let's try another angle.

Was Brown PM of: Greece, Spain, France, etc., etc?

FFS.....
 
Well, in three terms Labour could have regulated the banks and placed the whole casino capitalism aspect of The City on rails, but they very deliberately chose not to. The the global banking collapse was not Labours fault, the exposure to it the UK faced was. The Conservatives must also take equal blame as if anything they wanted even less regulatory controls than Labour. The bottom line is both parties are utter failures and are entirely unfit for purpose.
 
@Mull Don't need to see figures to see the difference but figures may help when talking to others otherwise the argument all too soon deteriorates into a 'he said, she said' type of exchange and nothing changes. Living in a world almost diametrically opposite to Cameron's I both see and experience the damage done over the last five and can't understand why some can't see it.
 
Tony L said:
Well, in three terms Labour could have regulated the banks and placed the whole casino capitalism aspect of The City on rails, but they very deliberately chose not to.
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Exactly, and Brown, Balls, Miliband were architects of the new regulatory system. As shown by very amusing archive film.

The the global banking collapse was not Labours fault, the exposure to it the UK faced was.
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Exactly! (what's going on here?)

The Conservatives must also take equal blame as if anything they wanted even less regulatory controls than Labour.
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Two points, amount of regulation isn't the same as competency of regulation, and the opposition really cannot be held responsible for the acts of government. Works both ways, Labour's economic policy over the last 5
years hasn't been that different to the government's, but it's the government's responsibility. Either way.

The bottom line is both parties are utter failures and are entirely unfit for purpose.
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Welcome back Tony.

Paul
 
You can choose an economy that grows, that creates jobs, that generates the money to ensure a properly funded and improving NHS, a government that will cut taxes for 30 million hardworking people and a country that is safe and secure.
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I can't vote in this election, but any politician who weaves "hardworking" into a speech has my vote.

That shows the politician is on my side, as I am a hardworking individual who works hard for his money, so hard for it, honey. So you better treat me right!

In fact, all political speeches should also weave in some hardworkin' Donna Summer footage.


I just realized that I dance like the bloke in blue with the gold pants.

Joe
 
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auric said:
Living in a world almost diametrically opposite to Cameron's I both see and experience the damage done over the last five and can't understand why some can't see it.
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I don't think its a case of 'can't see it' but more a case of fear what the Ed's might do because generally, people lack faith in Labour's ability to run the economy. So it's less a case of voting for who's best and more a case for not voting for who's deemed worse. I'm with Tony on this in that they're both terrible and I'd prefer neither to be in power......

Incidentally, Labour have said they will cut spending by the same/similar amount as the Tory's. There was a Labour baroness on the Daily Politics show yesterday saying that Labour recognise that they have to cut spending.....she said that's clearly obvious. But it was largely Labour government spending commitments that got us here in the first place? Either they want a bigger state, and need the bigger taxes to pay for it or they don't. But they seem to offer a bigger state with low(er) taxes......which will be deficit spending like we had before.
 
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