Tony Lockhart
Avoiding Stress, at Every Opportunity
Decades?
The 2019 F1 season.
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Ian M
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The race is now continuous, no change of car. There seems to be the same or more strategy involved than F1. Of course the cars are slower but I don’t think that makes a difference. It’s still in its early stages and I’m sure the televising and commentary will rapidly improve as people get to understand it. I will be certainly be watching the next race. All major manufacturers are now spending huge amounts of money in bringing electric cars to market, they have no choice. In my opinion the money they spend on F1 will rapidly reduce as there will be no point in developing ICE’s as its not where the advertising money will go.
Tony Lockhart
Avoiding Stress, at Every Opportunity
Are you aware of F1 power unit technology since 2014?
Eyebroughty
JohnC
Hi,
The issue that seemed to be overlooked by those that are getting excited by FE is that this form and level of racing is only being adopted by a tiny area of motor sport.
It would not surprise me that a lot has to do with developing a politically correct motor sport industry.
However the chances of all areas of motor sport being fully electric driven in the near future is decades away, I cannot see an electric powered dragster being of interest to those that follow that sport and the same would go for rallying and that is just two examples of a huge and varied motor sport industry.
Cheers
John
The issue that seemed to be overlooked by those that are getting excited by FE is that this form and level of racing is only being adopted by a tiny area of motor sport.
It would not surprise me that a lot has to do with developing a politically correct motor sport industry.
However the chances of all areas of motor sport being fully electric driven in the near future is decades away, I cannot see an electric powered dragster being of interest to those that follow that sport and the same would go for rallying and that is just two examples of a huge and varied motor sport industry.
Cheers
John
Tony Lockhart
Avoiding Stress, at Every Opportunity
Yep. One of the joys of standing on a wet, forested mountainside is listening to those incredible engines approaching and disappearing. Wiggly amp rally cars?? Lol. No thanks.
Ian M
pfm Member
More chance of those idiots standing at the side of the road getting run over! Sounds a good idea to me.
The iCE (which is far more efficient than a road car ICE) is only a part of the system which recovers and reuses energy more efficiently than was thought possible a few years ago.
The mass of the batteries and energy density will remain a big problem for FE cars for a long time to come.
When I started in F1 the cars were at the weight limit of 505 kg. Nowadays it is frustrating enough to work on an F1 car that has a weight limit of 743 kg, due to the energy storage capability and increased safety standards. Whereas an FE car, which is much slower, has much less power (<25%) weighs 800 kg. In summary a very high power to weight ratio for an F1 car and a very low power to weight ratio for an FE car.
martin dawson
pfm Member
Verstappen put it quite bluntly the car won the Championship.
Regards,
Martin
Regards,
Martin
the_bat
pfm Member
So how did he manage to finish above Botas?
Rack Kit
pfm Member
And Kimi & Vettel had car more than good enough to win the WDC but were did they finish?
Tony Lockhart
Avoiding Stress, at Every Opportunity
A frustrated loser shouldn’t be taken too seriously. It’s a well known fact that Ferrari had the best car for much of the season, but as a team they threw it away.
Rack Kit
pfm Member
monstrous lie
Infinitely Baffled
Aside from Ian W, whose job presumably depends on getting the car to go faster, I really don't understand the attitude amongst many posting to this thread, namely that for the spectator outright speed is everything. If it is slower, then it can't be as good seems to be a widely-held belief. I really don't agree with that view. Some of the best racing I have ever seen has been at VSCC (Vintage Sports Car Club) meetings, where the power to weight ratios of even the hottest contenders is well below what is expected today. It's not a VSCC race, but to illustrate my point take a look at this and tell me it's not first class racing:
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cutting42
Arrived at B4 Hacker Ergo
It is possible to enjoy many types of racing without saying one is better than another. The recent comments were aimed at the claim that FE would overtake F1 as the premier motor sport. The best pure racing in the world is rarely in a car anyway. If I want close racing I will watch WSB, motoGP or any club racing event, even BTCC or a spec series. F1 is, and never has been, aimed at that.
I like F1 cars to be right at the edge of what is possible for speed, handling and technology. Wheel to wheel racing is important but not the most important element. FE is interesting from a technology perspective but it has a long way to go to become interesting to a non niche audience.
TPA
Trade: Tiger Paw
Didn't realise Max was so. Bitter.
I think part of it stems from the fact that he's never won a car championship so, much as I rate him as a quick driver, he doesn't really know what's involved in putting a championship together, he's still fighting for podiums and the occasional win.
Tony Lockhart
Avoiding Stress, at Every Opportunity
And he knows very well that there’s a queue of younger talent, some with big budgets, scratching at the door. I find him occasionally incredible to watch, but sometimes think he needs to drive for a different team.
Cav
pfm Member
You have claimed this before, I think.
By whom is it well known that Ferrari had the best car? Not even Ferrari claim that.
I think I have asked as much previously in this thread and had no cogent reply.