Related question for me would be, how does the P6 compare with the old RP8?
Never heard P6 but owned RP6 & RP8.
Not done direct compare
Not used in same room
Not used with same cartridge
FWIW
I feel #8 are more organic and dynamic with lovely flow.
Related question for me would be, how does the P6 compare with the old RP8?
I don’t really understand what you are getting at, are you saying the GT spindle is too small for the spindle hole? i use a Limm bronze bearing hub and GT reference sub-platter and the fit and finish is perfect. I also used it on the stock rega and there is no gap. Fit and finish on the GT is perfect. The RP6 uses a plastic and aluminum subplatter that seems pretty low budget design for a deck at that price.Then you have no imagination.
Ever wonder why Groovetracer don't produce a bearing well?
Funny story; a couple of years ago I purchased a stock Rega 3 hub/spindle from a fellow who had replaced his with a Groovetracer. He decided to fit the blue plastic spindle end protector to the Rega part and couldn't get it off in the parking lot of the Tim Horton's where we met. I was worried that he might break the spindle free of the hub so I assured him that I trusted his description of the spindle end as mint and gave him the $15 asking price (which included the original ball bearing in a wee zip baggie, as, naturally, he had gone for a ceramic drill, er, ball too). Before we parted, I asked if he had any trouble getting the cap off the Groovetracer and he replied 'No, it just slid right off'. End of story.
If their blue plastic end protector was anything to go by then, yes, it must have been measurably smaller in diameter than the standard Rega item at that time. I notice that Groovetracer don't supply that cap any longer, preferring instead a stretchy black rubber one.I don’t really understand what you are getting at, are you saying the GT spindle is too small for the spindle hole?
FYI, I was replying to your previous comment regarding RP8. Perhaps you meant RP6.The RP6 uses a plastic and aluminum subplatter that seems pretty low budget design for a deck at that price.
...That all could be had from Rega for £898. (£1000 with factory fitted Exact cartridge!) makes paying $300. plus $30. shipping, plus 20% VAT, plus 2.5% duty for a knock-off P6 hub/spindle seem misguided, especially so, as Analog Seduction recently had the full metal Rega replacement P6 hub/spindle assemblies listed for less than 60 quid.
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makes paying $300. plus $30. shipping, plus 20% VAT, plus 2.5% duty for a knock-off P6 hub/spindle seem ill advised,
the GT RP6 subplatter is hardly a Rega knockoff, it has a jeweled bearing system with a sapphire thrust plate and CZ bearing. Also here is the tolerance for axle to bearing hub: 0.0005 ”or better concentricity between the axle and hub offers vast improvement in pitch control.
30 years ago, I decided I preferred the sound when a record was put directly on the glass platter of my Planar 3, and that's how it still is today.
12.7 microns is pretty standard stuff.the GT RP6 subplatter is hardly a Rega knockoff, it has a jeweled bearing system with a sapphire thrust plate and CZ bearing. Also here is the tolerance for axle to bearing hub: 0.0005 ”or better concentricity between the axle and hub offers vast improvement in pitch control.
This topic has come up before.I would be interesting to see how the cost of modded decks stacks up against buying a better stock Rega. I would expect modded decks to come out well but I don't know.
Also noteworthy that Rega don't used jewel bearings, even on their top turntables. In fact very few manufacturers do. Pink Triangle spring to mind but their one was prone to cracking. Rega use ceramic on the Niad. I wonder if it's a cost vs benefit decision or if they feel jewel bearings aren't robust enough. Just be nice to know the thought processes there.
Yes, much better than Rice Krispies. I find all that snap, crackle and popping so distracting.Have you tried sprinkling corn flakes onto the platter first. I was amazed how well this worked. It sounded so much crisper. I only play the first side of my records though, so YMMV ;-)
The great engineer, Mother Nature, abhors zero-gap bearings; this is the main reason why one testicle hangs lower than the other... No stiction I!Most bearing designs seem to be variations of a traditional design that has well-known problems concerning wear, tolerances, procession, noise/rumble. It's a design suitable for high speed rotation, i.e. not a turntable. Is Well Tempered's inventive and affordable approach still under patent?
I would guess that a zero-gap small-contact-surface bearing would produce a more accurate and less noisy result.
As I added a second tonearm to the turntable it means the dust cover no longer fits. So I bought a small paint brush and dust with that very effective.Dusting causes scratches. If you don't mind the appearance, a soft headscarf on the cover will protect it by collecting the dust instead. Just give it a shake and a wash once in a while. Scratches are inevitable over the long haul though, unfortunately.
You are doing it all wrong!!!
A few years back I sold my 20 year old LP 12 and the lid was immaculate. Now I have an Orbe with a SeCure cover. Both get cleaned the same way.
-Take them into the shower and wash off all dust under lukewarm water.
-Next.. carefully and lightly wash with a kitchen towel or tissue and a bit of washing up liquid. This is to remove the fine aerosol of fats and oils which drifts through any normal home which has a kitchen... and settles on all surfaces.
-Rinse off again. Dont forget to do the inside.. that gets surprisingly grubby too...
-Put somewhere suitable and safe to drain.. then finish drying by carefully 'swabbing' with tissue.
Works for me.
You can upgrade your RP6 with a groovetracer reference subplatter and limm double or triple pulley and bronze bearing hub. Maybe upgrade the plinth and install leveling feet from limm as well.
I can’t imagine the rega RP8 sub platter system to be better than the groovetracer.
I would be interesting to see how the cost of modded decks stacks up against buying a better stock Rega. I would expect modded decks to come out well but I don't know.
Also noteworthy that Rega don't used jewel bearings, even on their top turntables. In fact very few manufacturers do. Pink Triangle spring to mind but their one was prone to cracking. Rega use ceramic on the Niad. I wonder if it's a cost vs benefit decision or if they feel jewel bearings aren't robust enough. Just be nice to know the thought processes there.
I see guys online going all out on Rega upgrades but their likely much better off just jumping up the Rega chain.
It won't be long before Rega will have reached their 50th anniversary.A little bit of my previous Rega experience. I first owned an RP-40, for those that don't know it was a factory "hot rodded" RP-3 that came with most of the more important items from the RP-6. I had an aftermarket subplatter on it, a white RP-6 came up & I made the swap. I assumed performance would be very similar or even a downgrade being the RP-40 had most of the "important" RP-6 upgrades & I had a better aftermarket subplatter on my RP-40 (main reason for the swap was for the looks/colour combo & was planning on adding an aftermarket subplatter to the RP-6 in the future). To my surprise the RP6 with the stock subplatter was an easily audible improvement vs the RP-40 with the upgraded subplatter.
I see guys online going all out on Rega upgrades but their likely much better off just jumping up the Rega chain.
I'm inclined to think you are right but there is such a huge range of potential mods and combinations of them I reckon it's very possible that some people have really great sounding modded decks.
..just feel some people go crazy with the upgrades while they could be better off with just moving up the Rega line instead.