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Quad 22 Preamp Challenge.

audioflyer

No going back once you heard a ceramic cartridge
I've owned a few Quad 22 preamp this being the third one and it was not in the best of conditions.

First mod was to replaced the back panel and get rid of the umbilical cords and replace it with 6 pin plug.

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Next up was to look at the input to selector switch wiring, as I didn't need the EF86 input stage thus greatly simplified the connections.
The output from the selector switches now feed a 470nf capacitor (C34-C35 were 47nF) that is then connected to the volume control.

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Resistor R20 was disconnected to remove the supply to the EF86 stage.
All the old carbon resistors were replace around the ECC83 as most of them were out of spec.
The brown Hi-stab resistor didn’t need replacing.

I was in two mind whether to to keep the tone controls or not in the end I kept them.

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Then I replace the resistor and capacitors in the tone network.

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Volume and balance controls were not working properly so I replace them with Alps pots.

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The balance control need a bit more work and I had to make a bracket this mod was similar to the one that Quad did.

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I need a connecting rod and this was made from a medium sized paper clip

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The short shaft on the Alps pot need an extension best idea I could think of was to drilled and tap it.

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Separate PSU.

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So how did it sound.

It sounded like a ECC83 line stage very neutral none of that old school valve sound.
The main problem was the ECC83 drive abilities into a load of less than 1M ohm.
So I needed a solution to make it work with an amp with a 10K ohm input.
In the original circuit capacitor C16-C17 restricts the bass response and in the past I’ve tried increasing them to 470nF but the ECC83 protested with any load less than 1M ohm.

In the early eighties I played with adding a cathode follower but I didn’t like the results.
Then I discovered VFET and successfully used it as a source follower.

So this time I've revisited the source follower I've used a high voltage MOSFET which eliminates the extra parts in the VFET psu.

I've found a few site where this mod has been done mainly to valve guitar amps with good results.

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Now with a 470nF cap on the output of the MOSFET follower it drive a 10K ohm input of my amp properly, only problem is it 5db down a 20Hz. I'm planing to stack two 470nF cap to get the low frequency response down.

The last mod was to replace the main electrolytic cap C12 – C15, nothing in spares box so resorted to making one.

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Front panel was resprayed and lettering sorted using artist acrylic paint. After it dried I used T-cut to wipe the excessive paint form the lettering.

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The case had a few dents which were removed and then it was resprayed.

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Well that's it.

One restored/modified Quad QC 22.

It now quite at home with my Quad II's.

Sharif.
 
Very nice. Good to see how decent valve kit used to be made, instead of valves sitting unhappily on dodgy burnt PCBs
 
In my opinion you are completely mad, but your approach, effort and results appear to me to be excellent. Nice stuff.
 
Wow! Superb work Sharif, and I bet it sounds fantastic too! I was very pleasantly surprised how good my Quad 22 sounded after just replacing the triple 16uF caps in that can, with 22uF Panasonic types, replacing the coupling caps and cleaning the switches. Like the Quad 34, a very unfairly maligned pre-amp in my humble opinion.

Great job with respraying the unit too - looks like new!

Thanks for a very inspirational post - think I'll get my Quad 22 and IIs out over the weekend now ;)

John.
 
Nice post. Can we have a picture of the finished job though. It's like a porno with no cum shot at the momemt!
 
I've been listening to the Quad 22 preamp over the last week and I wasn't happy with the bass, it was over rich with a warm sound also the Quad II output transformers were getting very warm.
This wasn’t happen with my Electrocampaniet preamp.

It was back to the work bench to find out what was wrong when I tested it after the rebuild I did all the testing at 20hz-20khz and it was flat within 0.1db.
All was still fine with the 20hz-20khz so it tried a 1hz to 30khz test and found that my Quad 22 preamp has a 3.5db hump at about 11hz.
This can't be that good for the Quad II output transformers so was I hearing the transformers saturating?

I've simulated it in ltspice and had very similar results as my bench test.

It look like the ECC83 second stage final coupling capacitor frequency response has been cut-off too early. Capacitors c16-17 need to be a minimum of 200nF for the feedback to work properly.
Does any body know if there were any changes to the circuit as this could accounted for the very dated sound.

Original Quad 22 preamp line stage schematic.

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Original Quad 22 preamp line stage frequency response.

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I've made four component changes to the line-stage which has sorted the problem out R26-27 was change to 1 Meg and C16-17 were change for 470nF.

Modified Quad 22 preamp line stage schematic.

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Modified Quad 22 preamp line stage frequency response.

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The other change I've made to the Quad 22 preamp is to add a mosfet buffer which helps the feeble drive capability of the ECC83.

Sharif.
 
This is so good I might have a go ! Many thanks.

However both circuit diagrams appear the same, is it me ?

Thanks

Dave
 
This is so good I might have a go ! Many thanks.

However both circuit diagrams appear the same, is it me ?

Thanks

Dave

The circuits are the same except for resistors R26-27 and capacitors C16-17, these were change to correct the problem I was having with my preamp.

Sharif.
 
i hope to read about the sc 22 in future too

i just replied

looks like we can see more of your work in future
peace
 
Outstanding. I have one that needs a little TLC. What colour/type/brand of paint did you use?
 
Outstanding. I have one that needs a little TLC. What colour/type/brand of paint did you use?

For the front panel I used Hycote Ford Champagne Gold (Met) and for the case I used Hycote Ford Polaris Grey (Met).

Sharif.
 


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