Puzzling results with ATC SCM50ASLT loudspeakers vs. previous system

[Fretbuzz]

I think most people use a combination of measurements & listening to make choices. I will never entertain fancy cables, especially of the mains variety. I’d much rather just go on nice holidays or ride a top end road bike.

I also like quality clothes & shoes.

 

[MotherSky]

I also like quality clothes & shoes

I just bought a pair of Loake 'Roehampton' for work - very pleased with them

 

[Woodface]

I just bought a pair of Loake 'Roehampton' for work - very pleased with them

I have a pair of Loake Chester’s in acorn. More of a Trickers fan boy but will slum in it Redwings or Grensons though

 

[Alex S]

I don’t think anyone is taking that view or anything like that view

Clearly, you have spent little time on ASR.

 

[camverton]

Clearly, you have spent little time on ASR.

I’m not sure that any sane person would want to spend much time there! Now there’s a thought, I wonder how some of our more subjective friends on this thread would get on there?

 

[Alex S]

I bought the best and worst measuring dacs on ASR, partly as an experiment. The latter has 20 pages of denigration with not a single detractor, nor the reviewer, having gone to the trouble of listening to it.

 

[lAmBoY]

I bought the best and worst measuring dacs on ASR, partly as an experiment. The latter has 20 pages of denigration with not a single detractor, nor the reviewer, having gone to the trouble of listening to it.

what were your findings comparing the two? genuinely interested. Probably worth a new thread on this

 

[Alex S]

In a nutshell, they sounded far more similar than different, most competent dacs do IMO, regardless of technology or chip choice. One was the Topping D70 Pro Sabre (no longer the best measuring since that changes each week) and the other an MHDT Pagoda with tube buffer. I kept the Topping, my favourite dac under £1k, and sold the MHDT, but only because I have the Audial for that sort of non-oversampling flavour.

 

[Phyztech]

I thought it was obvious for adults that asr is not about audio science but Chinese junk marketing platform

 

[Patu]

If I were to change my mains cables to these Belden ones, would it be better to use 2 meters or 1 meter? Is the benefit proportional to the length, or the other way around?

No comment on that since I've never experimented with a same power cable in different lenghts.

I use 2m length Ricable Primus' for ATC's.

 

[AndyU]

No comment on that since I've never experimented with a same power cable in different lenghts.

I use 2m length Ricable Primus' for ATC's.

Don’t you think you should experiment with the same power cable different lengths? After all, if the effect of it is to filter out bad things from the mains then you would arguably want as long a lead as possible, whereas if it’s intended to connect your speakers to the mains, then you would want as short a mains lead as possible. Also you need to consider how the cable coils. IMO.

 

[Alex S]

It is well known that the more expensive a mains cable is per metre, the longer it needs to be.

 

[Patu]

Don’t you think you should experiment with the same power cable different lengths? After all, if the effect of it is to filter out bad things from the mains then you would arguably want as long a lead as possible, whereas if it’s intended to connect your speakers to the mains, then you would want as short a mains lead as possible. Also you need to consider how the cable coils. IMO.

Who says power cable is there to filter bad things from the mains? Power conditioners are for that but how could a cable filter anything? Unless it's some sort of active cable.

I choose the cable length purely based on practicality.

 

[AndyU]

Who says power cable is there to filter bad things from the mains? Power conditioners are for that but how could a cable filter anything? Unless it's some sort of active cable.

I choose the cable length purely based on practicality.

So you think that all lengths of a given mains cable should have the same effect on the sound?

(I never said a power cable is there to filter out bad things from the mains. I said that were you to believe that to be the case, then you would want as long a one as possible. If otoh you believe that it is to connect to the mains with as little loss as possible, then you would want as short a one as possible. And obviously if you believe different mains cables sound different, it is reasonable to ask whether the differences increase with the length of mains cable. Or are the benefits only delivered with a specific length?).

 

[Patu]

So you think that all lengths of a given mains cable should have the same effect on the sound?

I already answered to this question. I have no idea since I've never tried. I buy the length I need and it's the same with all cables.

 

[Tigerjones]

I have a pair of Loake Chester’s in acorn. More of a Trickers fan boy but will slum in it Redwings or Grensons though

I'm wearing some Loake Chesters, Christ they take a lot of breaking in. Not a patch on Grensons in terms of comfort.

 

[TheFlash]

I have some measurements for you. It is now

• 192 posts
• 14 days and
• 9 pages

since we last heard from our thread originator. I suspect that he has found all the contributions since post #444 so overwhelmingly educational, inspiring and generous of spirit that the poor chap is quite overwhelmed and doesn't know how to express his gratitude to everyone. Don't ask me for evidence of that, obviously.

Oh, and carry on!

 

[TheFlash]

I'm wearing some Loake Chesters, Christ they take a lot of breaking in. Not a patch on Grensons in terms of comfort.

In my besuited days, I was always a Church's guy. Same story but the break-in period was always worth it.

 

[Alex S]

I haven't worn shoes since 1985

 

[Snufkin]

I haven't worn shoes since 1985

Is that when you turned Hobbit?