per-Sony-fied
Me in another jacket
I heard a PTA those many years ago at a show where Pink Triangle was comparing CD (don't remember which player was on the go) to the PTA & I remember the sound was remarkably close. I was impressed.
Previously happy LP12 owners who moved on.....
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Darren L
Egalitarian
Reading this I find it funny the things we get used too and the attitudes adopted from theorising (sometimes without any real practical knowledge) or practicing something.
Record clamps or weights I don't particularly like but not from a sound quality aspect but more the 'faff' involved. But then I don't stop the platter to change sides or records.
Finger lifts I do like as it seems a more practical way to position the stylus. Though I will use the lift and lower device to erm lift and lower the stylus.
Lids are fine and useful from a dust perspective if you've an open fire, cat or dog but a pain to keep clean and free from polishing swirls but maybe some people play records with the lid down?
Record clamps or weights I don't particularly like but not from a sound quality aspect but more the 'faff' involved. But then I don't stop the platter to change sides or records.
Finger lifts I do like as it seems a more practical way to position the stylus. Though I will use the lift and lower device to erm lift and lower the stylus.
Lids are fine and useful from a dust perspective if you've an open fire, cat or dog but a pain to keep clean and free from polishing swirls but maybe some people play records with the lid down?
SONDEKNZ
Kiwi, now living in Hangzhou, CHINA
+1. 100%
SONDEKNZ
Kiwi, now living in Hangzhou, CHINA
Seriously? You own both turntables and have never compared them?
Surely it would take more effort NOT to compare them...
SONDEKNZ
Kiwi, now living in Hangzhou, CHINA
Can I genuinely thank everyone for their constructive contributions. I was already a bit depressed by my Linn experiences (latest was no reply to an email after 10 days. Yes I could phone but I’m so cynical of the possible answer that I wanted something in writing). You could tell my frustration from the original post!
The attitude of the dealers makes me furious (I’ve used several around the country and the only ones that seemed honest were Billy Vee). ATC are absolutely brilliant - but they don’t make turntables
Getting demos would be my next challenge as I’m in west Wales. At least 2 hours to decent dealers of any sort - but I might see who sells what in the West Midlands and NW and perhaps take my fruit box on a mystery tour.
TBH I like the deck. The dealers absolutely suck and it winds me up.….. I guess there’s no harm having a listen to say an NA , SME or others but I’d have to be careful that I don’t just like the ‘change’. I have to live with it!
Thanks again for your constructive comments. When I saw how many posts had been made last night I was dreading a tirade of anti-Linn and decided to brave the feedback this morning! Better than I’d feared!
@ex brickie
(With the sincerest of intentions...)
Please invest a humble 100-quid (or thereabouts) and upgrade your LP12 to "springless" status using AUDIOSILENTE SILICONE MUSHROOMS - available from LinnArts (Sweden) and a few other places.
[Google THE SPRINGLESS LP12 or AUDIOSILENTE SILICONE MUSHROOMS LP12 for endless raves and counter-banter - and to better understand all that the mushies do for the venerable LP12 and its original design problems...]
You will then hear all that your LP12 is capable of, within the context of your current configuration: PSU, bearing, sub-chassis, tonearm, cart, phono, support, etc.
The mushies are cheap, easily installed, easily reversed - and bloody amazing!
Best of all, the infernal LINN bouncy platter will be reduced to a firm but forgiving tremble.
Don't quit your beloved LP12 till you hear all that it is capable of, I say.
Thereafter, if you still think you can find better elsewhere, fair enough!
PS: A very nice side-benefit of the mushies: You won't need to keep clinging to your LINN dealer for costly LP12 tune-ups, because ...
With the wobbly springs gone, there is NOTHING left to tune up!
From that point onward, she’s set and forget…
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I like the SME 10, 20 & 30, not a fan of the newer range. The Technics G has grown on me, just like the solidity of it; will try one at some point.
If you want your turntable to sound like a CD, what's the point?
Mike Reed
pfm Member
I ended up in a vinyl transcription cul-de-sac, not that I lose sleep over it. Every deck I've had has been movable; transportable even but my Dais defies any mobility unless disassembled and that's sth that might just be too hazardous to attempt by myself.
Like Tony, I had a Xerxes, (with Artemiz and Shiraz) but the first power supply failed; had the deck for 5 years though; it followed an early fruit box but both succeeded by an early Orbe/Five which lasted 12 + years.
Re. finger lifts, Darren L, utterly redundant on (most?) 12" arms assuming you have a decent lowering/lifting device; precision cueing and no wobbly hands. I've never tried a d/d deck and probably never will though my bake-off friend has the top Technics which he's pleased with.
Like Tony, I had a Xerxes, (with Artemiz and Shiraz) but the first power supply failed; had the deck for 5 years though; it followed an early fruit box but both succeeded by an early Orbe/Five which lasted 12 + years.
Re. finger lifts, Darren L, utterly redundant on (most?) 12" arms assuming you have a decent lowering/lifting device; precision cueing and no wobbly hands. I've never tried a d/d deck and probably never will though my bake-off friend has the top Technics which he's pleased with.
tpetsch
...The rhythm has Control
When I got my P10 I was struck over time how all LP's don't sound the same anymore, each disk played upon it took on it own unique sonic character, like getting some insight into what the artists wanted the record to feel like in the studio. Now going back to my LP12 -I've owned several different LP12's over the past 35 years- I'm instantly reminded of it's warm character droaning sameness imposed upon all LP's played upon it and that individual LP feel becomes overshadowed by it's inherent colorations, and now I simply can't unhear these artifacts.
The LP12 has always been a fine deck what ever mix of parts one puts in the plinth, always full of tune & PRaT, and the P10 gave this all to me too, just without the additional baggage of all those colorations, so if that's more like a CD then I'm all for it.
I totally get that point of view.
i have had some fine CD players on loan here and they do sound good but for the type of music that I play, the LP12 is simply more enjoyable.
It has a swing to it that nothing else I have tried quite has, apart from An ancient Garrard SP25 mk 2 that I used to own but that had a list of problems. lol
MVV
pfm Member
Simply more enjoyable to you. For me it often irritated and sometimes got lost. Brilliant on some simple, well recorded stuff but a PITA if it got complicated or messy. I used to get so annoyed I‘d give up and put something else on that I knew would sound good….and I hate Steely Dan!
I also hate Steely Dan. One of the most overrated bands ever in my opinion.
Off topic alert.
i actually think that they are excellent musicians apart from Donald Fagins boring voice, but, like the band Rush, they dont seem to play together.
My view only of course. lol
I find everything about them boring. Dull music for boring people.I actually think that they are excellent musicians apart from Donald Fagins boring voice, but, like the band Rush, they don't seem to play together.
tpetsch
...The rhythm has Control
The people who tolerate you on a daily basis are the real heroes.