Oh Britain, what have you done

[Tony L]

Serious question :

Where does Tony Benn, Jeremy Corbyn when he's not (uncomfortably/unconvincingly) following orders, Frank Field et al fit into your profile of Leave voters?

I think you miss my point. I was answering a post by Patrick which suggested the Labour members that elected Corbyn were the ones that voted out. I don't have hard stats to back my point, but I am prepared to bet there would be very little overlap on a Venn diagram. The Labour party is a very broad entity and I think Corbyn appeals to a few demographics within, but (clearly) has not got his message over to much of the real working class north.

PS I don't know your background, you may have been working class once, but you sure as hell aren't now; high paid job, very large house, enough income to buy whatever audio kit etc you fancy, kids at Uni, nice car etc etc. The folk I'm on about are those who live on some grim sink estate and have been unemployed or on awful zero hours contracts for years. They are the angry ones and Corbyn has failed to connect with them or represent them in any real way. The likes of The Johnson, IDS, Gove etc will now crucify them atop a giant bonfire of working rights and benefits.

 

[Mr Cat]

There is a very real possibility of short term economic catastrophe. Here is my scenario:

Lots of London / SE bankers loose their jobs or have to follow their banks to the continent, and all try to sell their heavily mortgaged homes at the same time. Selling pressure drives the price of housing down, pushing swathes of the SE into negative equity, leading to UK mortgage bank failures and a run on the banks and the pound.

JP Morgan have already sent a memo to staff warning of restructuring - this is not fantasy.

that would be a great shame

 

[Anh]

There is a very real possibility of short term economic catastrophe. Here is my scenario:

Lots of London / SE bankers loose their jobs or have to follow their banks to the continent, and all try to sell their heavily mortgaged homes at the same time. Selling pressure drives the price of housing down, pushing swathes of the SE into negative equity, leading to UK mortgage bank failures and a run on the banks and the pound.

JP Morgan have already sent a memo to staff warning of restructuring - this is not fantasy.

All the more reason that Tory\UKIPs will execute a U-turn on Brexit once the frenzy and ecstasy subdues.

 

[merlin]

There is a very real possibility of short term economic catastrophe. Here is my scenario:

Lots of London / SE bankers loose their jobs or have to follow their banks to the continent, and all try to sell their heavily mortgaged homes at the same time. Selling pressure drives the price of housing down, pushing swathes of the SE into negative equity, leading to UK mortgage bank failures and a run on the banks and the pound.

JP Morgan have already sent a memo to staff warning of restructuring - this is not fantasy.

I posted the leaked Brexit memo a few days ago but no one took any notice.

The idea was that with financial services being effectively the core of the British economy, the UK government would be forced to increase interest rates and to deregulate in order in increase competitiveness and to keep major players from relocating to Frankfurt.

The government will have no choice IMHO. The only people who will suffer will be the working class and those paying mortgages. Interest rates will go up. Mortgage payments will become unaffordable and there will be thousands in negative equity. The banks, freshly deregulated, will most likely make a killing. And if they get it wrong, HM Gov will bail them out again

 

[notaclue]

 

[KC Cantiaci]

I voted for Corbyn and don't think Labour needs another leadership election. Even if he was voted in again with a massive majority, it still wouldn't stop the red Tories from slating him. It would, however, be good to know exactly where he stands.

I saw Corbyn being interviewed by Dimbley a few hours ago. He was asked whether he had underestimated the Labour voter concern about immigration. Dimbley suggested this was why they had voted out. Corbyn didn't answer the question directly and then skirted around it a second time.

I was pretty disappointed by this. He could of just gone "Yeah, it appears we were wrong," because Labour obviously were.

I like Corbyn and his socialist ideals, but I also think he sold Labour short by being in favour of Remain. I don't see any replacement for him at the moment, least of all anybody in the right-wing of the party and idiots like John Mann.

Jack

I know you like him, as obviously did a lot of Labour supporters even if the PLP didn't. But there's lots of guff in the press with accusations and blame heading his way for not doing enough publicly to support the Remain campaign so seemingly his efforts to go along with the majority (although I do believe this was against his own views/principles) to maintain party unity have resulted in splits and in-fighting anyway. To stop this, he needs to show he still has the support of the Labour people/supporters on the ground or the 'Red Tories' in the PLP will pull everything apart and you'll never be an effective opposition. It's just my view mind....

 

[strummer]

I think you miss my point. I was answeing a post by Patrick which suggested the Labour members that elected Corbyn were the ones that voted out. I don't have hard stats to back my point, but I am prepared to bet there would be very little overlap on a Venn diagram. The Labour party is a very broad entity and I think Corbyn appeals to a few demographics within, but (clearly) has not got his message over to much of the real working class north.

PS I don't know your background, you may have been working class once, but you sure as hell aren't now; high paid job, very large house, enough income to buy whatever audio kit etc you fancy, kids at Uni, nice car etc etc. The folk I'm on about are those who live on some grim sink estate and have been unemployed or on awful zero hours contracts for years. They are the angry ones, Corbyn has failed to connect with them or represent them, and the likes of The Johnson, IDS, Gove etc will now crucify them with a giant bonfire of working rights and benefits.

Patrick raised an amusing point re the apparent disconnect between the views of Remainers & their support for Corbyn, a life long EU sceptic (until last week). I don't get it.



I know you're not a malicious bloke, but the way you describe those working class is full of charged language & sterotype. It's not a crime to be uneducated. Well it should be, but a crime of the state. We're all responsible for allowing a culture of 4th generation jobless, aren't we?

Yes, I'm comfortable, but I'm no better or worse than an Eton toff or a council estate ASBO. They have a right to a chance in life. They have been grossly ignored & understandably don't like it!

The EU does not serve the majority in this country. It serves big business. The ones that treat workers like shit, has zero hours contracts & doesn't pay taxes!

 

[lsinclair]

Cameron's made a pig of it!

First thing that's made me smile today.

 

[Weekender]

Divided Kingdom.
So the first person I see on tv this morning is a Tory MP Brexiter celebrating and looking to the future as a United Kingdom. How do we do that when the Scots will now leave And we in England? Tory govt forever. Ah silly me that's why the Tory was celebrating!

 

[merlin]

Yes, I'm comfortable, but I'm no better or worse than an Eton toff or a council estate ASBO. They have a right to a chance in life. They have been grossly ignored & understandably don't like it!

The EU does not serve the majority in this country. It serves big business. The ones that treat workers like shit, has zero hours contracts & doesn't pay taxes!

I don't disagree but they've been lied to as never before and their lack of education has been exploited IMHO Strummer.

That's wrong. And they will pay for it. Not the Eton boys or those with comfortable lifestyles and investment portfolios.

 

[JimKempton]

Now strut about your bunker,
Your disenchanted grove.
Welcome to your paradise
Of Boris, Farage and Gove.

Now watch the rest of Europe
Falling apart again,
Landing in the smelly laps
Of Wilders and Le Pen.

Now inspect the damage,
Now survey the wreck,
Now pick up your shovel
And clear up your own dreck.

And now that Donald Trump
Is safely on his way,
Go clink a glass with him.
It's Independence Day!

_George Szirtes_

 

[kendo]

Wow really sore losers you remain lot. I was prepared to offer my sincere condolences but you know what FCUK the lot of you sad losers.

See the "UK" bit of your expletive? It may be a little inaccurate before too long.
I wonder what you actually think you've won.

 

[maxflinn]

You believe that IDS and Gove are anti-austerity? That they've been secretly against it while helping implement it for 6 years?

I want some of what you're taking!

Stephen

No of course not, but they're going to be well aware of the backlash there would be if they try to rape the poor even further, cut workers rights etc at this time.

I don't doubt they'll try eventually, but not for a while.

 

[cutting42]

Well.. feckity feck

Extraordinary result. Like many I truly felt that sanity would prevail and we would not throw our future away. Like previous posters, my kids are gutted especially my 17-year-old who could not vote but dearly wanted to.

Just from a personal perspective I spend a lot of time travelling around the world (not quite a glamorous as it sounds) and my life has probably got harder and more expensive.

The future is unknown but I hope for all of us that it is not as bad as I fear it might be.

 

[maxflinn]

Max you are disconnected from reality, the main issue in the referendum was the continuing rising level of immigration to these shores. It would be nice if you were in any way correct, but you are sadly mistaken.

Sorry gassor but once again you're wrong and even Tony agrees , as he, like me reckons that a main driver of Brexit was the disaffected working class of the north, who voted in huge numbers for Brexit as a protest against Tory policies.

 

[notaclue]

Boris is giving an impressively reassuring speech.

He's angling to be the next PM.

 

[notaclue]

Now Sturgeon. Scotland will go it alone. "Unacceptable" that Scotland is being taken out of the EU.

 

[merlin]

Now hiring.

 

[merlin]

Now Sturgeon. Scotland will go it alone. "Unacceptable" that Scotland is being taken out of the EU.

It's unacceptable that I am being taken out of the EU let alone the Scots.

Can I move to Scotland and seek asylum?

 

[Mr Cat]

Sorry gassor but once again you're wrong and even Tony agrees , as he, like me reckons that a main driver of Brexit was the disaffected working class of the north, who voted in huge numbers for Brexit as a protest against Tory policies.

yep, that was defo part of it, as well as being pissed off with the EU policy's etc... and no doubt for some - being a racist...