OAP unhurt in car accident
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drummerman
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There is my sweet but its not really up to me to give you the 'birds and bees' speech ... perhaps your parents when you're older ...
Thank fxxx it's Sunday and I'm enjoying my cappucino and croissants
drummerman
pfm Member
That's another way to approach it.
Personally I think penalties should be harsher but there is is little doubt what is the most dangerous age group on the road.
Do you not understand the simplest of sentence constructions? Look at the words "in a context", does that help?There is my sweet but its not really up to me to give you the 'birds and bees' speech ... perhaps your parents when you're older ...
Thank fxxx it's Sunday and I'm enjoying my cappucino and croissants
Whereabouts in France are you ? Perhaps we can meet and discuss this over a decent Côtes de Provence Rosé.
Rockmeister
pfm Member
Impartial attempt at the age issue.
Stats (and insurance costs) prove that the MOST dangerous drivers on the road are the youngest. Anyone suprised? No.
from 30 to somewhere north, MOST of us are capable drivers. Nobody is perfect all the time, but with care we sould go through most of our working life keeping ourselves and others safe.
Age as a factor starts to come in around 50. By 60, maybe half of us are slower to react than we were, have poorer eyesight etc, but with extra care and some self awareness, one can aleviate those issues. We 'slow down' a little on the roads.
By 70, the situation changes. The early deteriorators are now a road problem. Even the fit and healthy are slowing, tho many won't admit it, since we also get grumpy and stubborn as a pleasant side effect of ageing
My view is that the NHS should be alert to potential poor drivers, and have the right to talk to those concerned about ways forward first. That starts at any age. By 60, I'd suggest that an assessment should be made. Nothing threatening, just a day course maybe with police drivers to jog us back into good habits and allow some testing by professionals of those whom the NHS has flagged up. At 70, everyone should be formally re-tested, with the option of a free one day refresher driving course before the test. Again at 75. After 80, that test should be annual. Any driver can continue regardless of age if they pass. Being slow and careful might annoy the young and rushed, but the basic right shouldremain unless one proves a danger.
Back to the OP, to say that I see phil has proven my point this am by getting himself photographed driving around the estate without a seat belt in his new freelander. Grumpy/stubborn old git. Case closed Milord.
Stats (and insurance costs) prove that the MOST dangerous drivers on the road are the youngest. Anyone suprised? No.
from 30 to somewhere north, MOST of us are capable drivers. Nobody is perfect all the time, but with care we sould go through most of our working life keeping ourselves and others safe.
Age as a factor starts to come in around 50. By 60, maybe half of us are slower to react than we were, have poorer eyesight etc, but with extra care and some self awareness, one can aleviate those issues. We 'slow down' a little on the roads.
By 70, the situation changes. The early deteriorators are now a road problem. Even the fit and healthy are slowing, tho many won't admit it, since we also get grumpy and stubborn as a pleasant side effect of ageing
My view is that the NHS should be alert to potential poor drivers, and have the right to talk to those concerned about ways forward first. That starts at any age. By 60, I'd suggest that an assessment should be made. Nothing threatening, just a day course maybe with police drivers to jog us back into good habits and allow some testing by professionals of those whom the NHS has flagged up. At 70, everyone should be formally re-tested, with the option of a free one day refresher driving course before the test. Again at 75. After 80, that test should be annual. Any driver can continue regardless of age if they pass. Being slow and careful might annoy the young and rushed, but the basic right shouldremain unless one proves a danger.
Back to the OP, to say that I see phil has proven my point this am by getting himself photographed driving around the estate without a seat belt in his new freelander. Grumpy/stubborn old git. Case closed Milord.
claire.foxx
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We’re in the endgame of humans (royal scum or otherwise) driving cars anyway. It is expecting a lot of competence from a species that can barely clothe itself to control a multi-tonne killing machine. In 10 years time it will be common to just sit back and let the machines do the driving for you (and do a better job than most as well) the car being able to know what the status of te road and all the other vehicles around it extending beyond what is visible will be great.
flatpopely
Prog Rock/Moderator
Most industry experts don't expect fully autonomous driving to happen anytime soon in the wider world. There will be controlled trials, level 4, but we are a long way from Level 5.
So if you are a member of the Royal family or a humble subject, you will be able to enjoy the thrill of driving for quite a while yet.
Of more concern to me, as a petrol head, will be the stealth adoption of black boxes as a requirement of insurance that will mean a gradual reduction in enjoyment.
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So what happens to a driver between 59 and 60 that requires the assessments ? I ask as a few days ago I reached 60 but feel no different and my driving hasn't changed.
On the other hand my father stills drives at 93 despite efforts to get him to stop (common theme here). I feel he's safe but not as good as when he was doing my tens of thousands of miles a year as a rep. until aged 60, but back then he was more likely to have an accident of course.
To me the solution is after a certain age (TBD) that you have to opt-in to driving rather than opt-out. This could be done via assessment rather than via a GP who maybe isn't best placed to determine your driving abilities; there's more to it than just the condition of your eyes or general medical condition. The problem is that the assessment would probably be outsourced to Crapita et al.
As for Phil the Greek, I'm told he passed a police eye test (reading a number plate at 25 yards ?) the day after the accident so that's all right then.
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MikeMA
pfm Member
In some American states I believe they have graded or restricted licences for certain categories of driver. So people with certain disabilities and/or over a certain age may be restricted as to where and when they can drive, ie you may drive only in the day time in you local are (however defined).
Andrew C!
Been around a while....
Police officers can refer any offending driver to the NHS for assessment via a DVLA form, if they suspect a medical issue. The submission of said form triggers a legal requirement.
The problem is there aren't enough specialist officers conversant with this type of legislation anymore. Indeed, the police attendance t crashes is nowhere near what it was, say, 15 years ago. Wonder why that is?
The problem is there aren't enough specialist officers conversant with this type of legislation anymore. Indeed, the police attendance t crashes is nowhere near what it was, say, 15 years ago. Wonder why that is?
Bob McC
Living the life of Riley
Not a cat in hell’s chance of that within 20 years
Mullardman
Moderately extreme...
It shows..
How many of these Police Women were there? Must have been quite intimidating..
Don't get me started. When many of those affected started work, there was an implied contract that if they paid their dues, they were entitled to a pension. changing that 'mid stream' is sheer spite.
Also if you had even the most basic grasp of British politics and the UK economy, you would know that the present bunch have increased debt and destroyed services, whilst putting millions onto the breadline, again out of spite, yet reduced taxation for the rich and farmed out £Billions of our money to serially failing 'outsourcing' companies. You may be a mere youngster, but you are old enough to have a clearer understanding of what is going on politicaly in your own country.
So.. in your infinite wisom, you are the arbiter of how agew affects driving?
Because he has to re-inforce his macho bus driver image. He drove big stuff, therefore he's a good driver.
Andrew C!
Been around a while....
I was trained to drive little stuff fast and safe. No crashes for me when traveling forwards! I did reverse into another patrol car once, tho(In the interests of transparency).
Mullardman
Moderately extreme...
I just did the usual. I rode a bike as a youngster.. then a motorcycle. Then cars from about 1968 onwards. Two 'accidents' in that 50 year period. Both times I was stationary and got 'tail ended' by others whose attention was suspect.
Although the biggest thing I've ever driven on the road is a 'Luton' Van.. I've driven many types of machine on site, including mobile cranes 'Hi Mac' type grabs, and assorted heavy trucks. Also without incident.
From my lofty perch as an almost Septuagenarian, I can confirm that response times, processing speed, and yes, eyesight, all deteriorate with age. You adjust accordingly, which probably means starting to drive the way you were really supposed to all along...
Although the biggest thing I've ever driven on the road is a 'Luton' Van.. I've driven many types of machine on site, including mobile cranes 'Hi Mac' type grabs, and assorted heavy trucks. Also without incident.
From my lofty perch as an almost Septuagenarian, I can confirm that response times, processing speed, and yes, eyesight, all deteriorate with age. You adjust accordingly, which probably means starting to drive the way you were really supposed to all along...
Still
he said his naim was ralph
He's just an elderly gent who's an easy target for criticism. Which is actually thinly veiled agism.
These are cowardly acts by those without the bottle to pick on someone their own size.
While we're at it what's odd about him getting a brand new £100k vehicle two days after writing the last one off?
What do you have in mind?