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No sex please we're a nanny state

Cameron is getting roasted on R2 a the moment and showing they haven't thought about this.
 
So the govt. has decided that is no longer a parents responsibilty to keep kids safe online. So we see a sledge hammer to crack a nut, which I will bet my life will merely be the thin end of the wedge. If you cannot handle your kids going online then get some bloody software or keep the PC in the living room where they can be supervised ffs.

What is it with people these days? It always seems to be somebody else's fault and parents cannot be held responsible for what little johnny gets up when the parents are too 'kin lazy to be bothered to check what he is up to.

:rolleyes:
 
thebiglebowski said:
I'd say you are 99% wrong, firewalls are designed to block this type of thing and kids are not expert hackers.

This isn't 1983 and war games anymore, just because a six year old knows how to play angry birds doesn't mean they can out fox their parents.

Using this excuse is lazy and once again expecting others to do a parents job.
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firewalls are designed to prevent intrusion.

A typical example is kids will access sites which act as a cloak and allow access to blocked sites within the cloak session. Some primary school children know how to do this and plenty of secondary school kids have used this technique to get around the pretty well run education wans.
 
Not to spoil the indignant frothing but my understanding was this was about the default setting of the ISP. You retain the ability to "derestrict" the system if you wish but the initial setting for the uninitiated would be to restrict the darker areas of paedo searches.

I agree with the responsibility of the parent points being made. My kids have multiple logins for play time and homework time with different restrictions. It is not hard to set up with Win7/8 and there are several free and paid for systems.

I also support a free access internet and do fear "feature creep" in any limits however well intentioned.
 
Ok now you are nitpicking, let me rephrase with a firewall that includes web filtering. When I say firewall I think most peope know that most commercial home products from netgear or belkin etc include web filters.

Granted enterprise firewalls will do port blocking but we are talking about home use.

For the purpose of this thread:

firewall = home broadband router with firewall and web filtering etc.
 
Did find it funny that Canada's oldest magazine "The Beaver" had to change its name.
 
thebiglebowski said:
I'd say you are 99% wrong, firewalls are designed to block this type of thing and kids are not expert hackers.

This isn't 1983 and war games anymore, just because a six year old knows how to play angry birds doesn't mean they can out fox their parents.

Using this excuse is lazy and once again expecting others to do a parents job.
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I absolutely agree that we should not expect others to do a parents job.

We will have to disagree on the kids not being expert hackers though. This is not going to require any great hacking skill I would imagine but having seen first hand how some of our yr 8 pupils can manage to circumvent all security, firewall, control systems within the school systems here I think you underestimate their ability.

No child should have unrestricted access to the internet and this is a parents responsibility.

I'f you have managed to hear of 'two girls', 'Omegle', Chatroulette' and 'chaturbate' you can rest assured your kids have before you.
 
spxy said:
Sorry guys if you think parents can 100% control internet access to that degree you are living in cloud cookoo land.

Talking to children will not help as the problem is more accidental access not planned access.

And yes it is ALL our responsibilities to control this. We create the environment that we live in and the internet is part of that.
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Imo it's not about control of internet access, but educating children - in this case as to what pornography is (& isn't).
Talking to children is the solution, but the talk needs to be factual & non-judgemental if it's to have a positive outcome.
Children become naturally curious about sex as part of their development, so is it better they learn from parents, the government, or the internet?

Parents have to take responsibility for their children's education, although I appreciate these conversations aren't easy - from experience.
Exactly the same goes for drugs, because the government has a similarly rubbish ability & track record to provide the information.
Let's remember call me Dave is the type of parent who leaves his child in the pub after a session, so hardly the best person to provide such advice.
 
I assume what will happen is that those of us who tick the 'no filter' box will instantly be on some kind of watchlist of potential deviants, while the pedlars of illegal acts continue to use their own means of communication.

Thin. End. Wedge.

Stephen
 
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(Presumably this will disappear when the filtering kicks in)
 
What are the odds that BT will start offering a porn or porn free broadband package with the porn one costing much more?
 
Also as far as I'm aware isn't it perfectly legal for anyone to watch porn as long as the acts and actors are legal?
 
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