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New Bearing for LP12--The Karousel

tenpercenter said:
Linn need to be commended for still developing a product launched in 1972.

The modular design is almost unique in Hifi which brings longevity and choice but also a continuous income stream for Linn - which seems to be a problem for some people..???
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.......,,I should have also added that the LP12 has also brought income streams for many 3rd party one man bands and outfits over the years as well......,($$$$ cow)

It really is an iconic product and a British success story. Never understood the (small) army of mainly forum based haters. Buy something else!
 
tenpercenter said:
The modular design is almost unique in Hifi which brings longevity and choice but also a continuous income stream for Linn - which seems to be a problem for some people..???
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tenpercenter said:
It really is an iconic product and a British success story. Never understood the (small) army of mainly forum based haters. Buy something else!
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You guys really need to think about what you read a bit more carefully and try not to see the world in only black and white. Are you socialists?

I used LP12s for over thirty years and compared it to the Fender Stratocaster. A hater? Hardly. I too think it's an iconic product, yada yada, but I don't feel the need to worship the company who made it and avoid criticising anything they ever do. That just makes you a sycophant and a sheep. Or an idiot, take your pick?

I didn't criticize the bearing itself, or the turntable. Only the way in which the people in charge are choosing to market them. Sorry if you don't like that your worshipfulness', deal with it :0)
 
Just as a matter of interest how much is an LP12 these days? I see a price for a ‘Majik’ which looks to have a budget Jelco arm and an Adikt cart and that is £2930.

Logically the LP12 can be split into three parts:

a) Plinth/lid.
b) Motor/PSU.
c) Platter/main bearing/subchassis/armboard/suspension.

I’d argue you were getting most of ‘c’ for your £750, plus someone to fit it. I’ve no idea what Linn dealers charge their time at these days, but I’d expect about £100 of that to be the fitting charge, maybe more.
 
Craig B said:
Apparently, 'On a Carousel' plays better on an LP12 with £18,000 of upgrades fitted.
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But Martyn ‘Just One Look’ and you’ll be at the ‘Bus Stop’ waiting to get one and it will be a case of ‘I Can’t Let Go’.
It should ‘ Pay You Back With Interest’ . Hopefully not a case of ‘I’m Down’
 
Tony L said:
I haven’t seen one in any pictures.
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Just trying to do the sums in my head. Certainly seems likely that an old LP12 with the new bearing kit is going to make more sense than a new Cirkus LP12 as I reckon they're going to sound pretty similar. In fact I would expect the bitsa to be better than a new Cirkus LP12 which has the Cirkus bearing. Assuming the new bearing is as big a step over the Cirkus as the Cirkus was over the original; bearing.

I have to add that these steps I'm talking about, they're actually rather small ;0)
 
Eyebroughty said:
Exactly what is the way the people in charge are trying to market this?
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From what I can tell it is the current version of the bearing, so included with a new LP12, and beyond that it is available to anyone who want to buy one for £750 fitted. Further to this it appears there is a promotional deal where if one spends over £3k on Linn kit in a single transaction you can have one free. I’m baffled by the hate to be honest. Looks like a pretty reasonable deal to my eyes as these things go.
 
Linn must be laughing all the way to the bank, the free publicity they get from forum threads like this only makes those that use their kit want to buy more of it.
 
Tony L said:
I’m baffled by the hate to be honest. Looks like a pretty reasonable deal to my eyes as these things go.
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It depends on your perspective. How much profit needs to be on 3k of sales before you can give away £750 for free? Or are you really giving away something worth £750?

Linn charge £150 for a lid, more like £180 if you include the hinges. A Rega lid costs £40. A bit of common sense would suggest that Linn are making much more profit on their lids. A sheep would think, Linn lids must be special!
 
Eyebroughty said:
Linn must be laughing all the way to the bank, the free publicity they get from forum threads like this only makes those that use their kit want to buy more of it.
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Or do what I did, get rid of the damn thing and buy an RP10?

I know people who have paid into lottery syndicates for decades and are terrified to stop in case they lose out. They know it's dumb and they hate themselves for doing it but they can't stop. We are addictive, humans.
 
Mr Pig said:
Linn charge £150 for a lid, more like £180 if you include the hinges. A Rega lid costs £40. A bit of common sense would suggest that Linn are making much more profit on their lids. A sheep would think, Linn lids must be special!
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I’d argue that implied Rega were making a fairly substantial loss on their lids! Knock the dealer markup off, the shipping, the shipping box etc and I honestly don’t see how you could make a turntable lid for anything like that.
 
Tony L said:
I’d argue that implied Rega were making a fairly substantial loss on their lids! Knock the dealer markup off, the shipping, the shipping box etc and I honestly don’t see how you could make a turntable lid for anything like that.
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Agreed, try getting someone to make you a cover for a Well Tempered Amadeus and then see if £150 for a Linn lid is expensive.
 
Tony L said:
Knock the dealer markup off, the shipping, the shipping box etc and I honestly don’t see how you could make a turntable lid for anything like that.
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Na, I reckon lots of products cost far less to make than we think they do. A lid is a single piece of injection moulded plastic. I mentioned the toilet syphon I bought which was an assembly of parts with washers, plastic nuts etc in there too and it cost less than a fish supper.
 
Sounds to me Mr Pig has sellers remorse ;). Jumped ship to Rega just before a key upgrade gets announced.

I’ve checked, and I can’t see Linn as a registered charity. It seems some these days feel companies are here for our benefit, I guess that means their staff should all take a pay cut. When ever people complain about the cost of products I wonder if they are the same people who moan about not getting a pay rise often enough?

Factor in dealer margins, when I helped in one back in the 90’s it was 42-45%, account for also for 20% VAT on sales, is Linn really milking it on a low volume specialist made parts? Or are some just to cynical rather than us all being idiots for supporting them?
 
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