menameisengine
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Very nice
New ATCs!
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Patu
pfm Member
Smaller speakers usually sound faster since the bass doesn't hit that deep, which leads to less problems with room.
Tigerjones
Bagpuss
It’s a shame the 20s don’t look as nice as the 40s.
wow&flutter
pfm Member
What about the active scm19a?
Tigerjones
Bagpuss
Good point.
Wow- I did some looking around the ASR forum after suggested by AlexS in another thread.
They really hate ATC speakers- including SCM40s. Really hate all around, except maybe some actives.
They sounds pretty good to me, altough I am a scientist and have a hard time ignoring data!
They really hate ATC speakers- including SCM40s. Really hate all around, except maybe some actives.
They sounds pretty good to me, altough I am a scientist and have a hard time ignoring data!
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Fourlegs
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They are as mad as a box of frogs over on ASR.
I once asked Rob Watts, designer of the Chord Dave dac, what he would say to counter some of the things they say and Rob’s view was that they mostly didn’t know what they were talking about and it wasn’t worth the effort of trying to engage with them.
lAmBoY
pfm Member
Yes that can be a tad vitriolic over on ASR but data driven assessments are good. The reports Amir puts out are very good.
darrenyeats
pfm Member
I must disagree (edit: about the ASR bit), measurements need to be interpreted correctly and that's where often ASR falls down. Also any set of measurements can be improved.
If you need concrete examples.
1. The dispersion of loudspeakers is significant for sound quality yes, but stops being significant after around 10kHz, outside toe-in angle. Floyd Toole has explained why. People miss this all the time.
2. DACs are often used in preampless systems or with passive preamps - measurement of output impedance is relevant because of this. JA of Stereophile always includes this measurement. Someone could argue differences here are unimportant - but not someone obsessing over -120dB vs -130dB distortion ...
If you need concrete examples.
1. The dispersion of loudspeakers is significant for sound quality yes, but stops being significant after around 10kHz, outside toe-in angle. Floyd Toole has explained why. People miss this all the time.
2. DACs are often used in preampless systems or with passive preamps - measurement of output impedance is relevant because of this. JA of Stereophile always includes this measurement. Someone could argue differences here are unimportant - but not someone obsessing over -120dB vs -130dB distortion ...
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darrenyeats
pfm Member
To be clear I very much agree with your first sentence (have now edited my post), so my reservations are about the second.
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Beautiful room
We have similar floor , as said the lovely open plan then brings other problems, Even if you switch the speakers to beside the fireplace you still seem to have the same problem. Recently got some 40a’s and sold the passive version as I had heard nothing but good things, unfortunately it’s absolutely true the active version are just 
wow!I did want 50’s but as an example I got the 40a’s 6 mth old for £5000, The 50’s , well the tower’s would be probably around £12,500 at least. So you can see trying to convince the wife
What it does do is whet your appetite and think if the 40’s sound this good the 50’s with the all the added “s” versions of driver’s are going to be in a different league again. But definitely something to save for.
I have a type of suspended floor, the speakers are on a block of granite and then using Soundcare superpikes. But you know if I didn’t have them now I would try some rubber anti vibration pads, ie washing machine things underneath as they’re supposed to work well and they would be good for that flooring.
For 2 channel the subs are still used but not as much as for Movies, PSA 1511 & 1512, they support that bottom end perhaps you could try that?
And also some type of room correction would be good, you said your amp was getting on a bit, and folk say ATC’s need a bit of whelly but I’ve found it’s the quality of the amp that counts. I had a Advantage s100 which was sublime until it failed
Regards speed
gez
pfm Member
Worse, as it's specifically SINAD they all put up on the pedestal of be all and end all of performance. Which just means they fundamentally do not understand how distortion is perceived, as two devices could both have exactly the same SINAD figure yet totally different distortion characteristics, one of which may potentially be audible the other not. Hence I put absolutely no store on the opinions of that site.
The other problem I have is that Amir doesn't even standardise his measurement methodology, he chooses input voltages for the devices on test however he prefers. Thus breaking the fundamental rule of comparative testing, and thus in one basic step making his measurement comparisons totally null and void.
I coudl have had active 19a's for exactly the same price; Could sell the integrated but would need a pre.I just didn't think they would fill the room although they were tempting, Ages ago I demoed old 50A's- they filled it plenty.Beautiful room
I did want 50’s but as an example I got the 40a’s 6 mth old for £5000, The 50’s , well the tower’s would be probably around £12,500 at least. So you can see trying to convince the wife
What it does do is whet your appetite and think if the 40’s sound this good the 50’s with the all the added “s” versions of driver’s are going to be in a different league again. But definitely something to save for.
I have a type of suspended floor, the speakers are on a block of granite and then using Soundcare superpikes. But you know if I didn’t have them now I would try some rubber anti vibration pads, ie washing machine things underneath as they’re supposed to work well and they would be good for that flooring.
For 2 channel the subs are still used but not as much as for Movies, PSA 1511 & 1512, they support that bottom end perhaps you could try that?
And also some type of room correction would be good, you said your amp was getting on a bit, and folk say ATC’s need a bit of whelly but I’ve found it’s the quality of the amp that counts. I had a Advantage s100 which was sublime until it failed
Regards speed
In actuality- just don't spend that much time in that room listening, and it is often with others who value low dBs as the most important system feature. Even this new series of changes was most unanticipated
lAmBoY
pfm Member
6 months old for 5k! thats good, ive seen a couple of pairs older than that for sale at the moment and they are asking 5k. A couple of years old should be around 4k imo.Beautiful room
I did want 50’s but as an example I got the 40a’s 6 mth old for £5000, The 50’s , well the tower’s would be probably around £12,500 at least. So you can see trying to convince the wife
What it does do is whet your appetite and think if the 40’s sound this good the 50’s with the all the added “s” versions of driver’s are going to be in a different league again. But definitely something to save for.
I have a type of suspended floor, the speakers are on a block of granite and then using Soundcare superpikes. But you know if I didn’t have them now I would try some rubber anti vibration pads, ie washing machine things underneath as they’re supposed to work well and they would be good for that flooring.
For 2 channel the subs are still used but not as much as for Movies, PSA 1511 & 1512, they support that bottom end perhaps you could try that?
And also some type of room correction would be good, you said your amp was getting on a bit, and folk say ATC’s need a bit of whelly but I’ve found it’s the quality of the amp that counts. I had a Advantage s100 which was sublime until it failed
Regards speed
ATC is relatively overpriced in USA, as is Rega. It hurts to see costs in UK in excess of exchange rate for sure. But I bought it anyway and I appreciate supporting local.
New SCM40 is $6K
New 19A is $7000
New 40A is $10,990.
New 50A is $$17,490 for the pro model and $25K for the ASLT