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Lenco G75 - Worth the effort?

Hello Jules, and welcome. Firstly, I must confess I have 7 or 8 Lenco's, most of their designs! And I have been trying to find ways of dealing with improving them for well over a decade. It is not easy, it is not intuitive in most instances, and it will need a lot of thought and a little time to sort things. Having said that, I have other turntables (belt drives) that I no longer listen to. Lenco's give me what I want, clean sound without distraction, without rude letters from the banks!

As regards materials, there are not many which would be up to the task of dealing with the energy issue. And that really boils down to one thing. Energy cannot be destroyed, just turned into other harmless form, and that really means heat energy.

Materials that convert vibrational energy into heat energy efficiently are mostly obscure or very expensive, or both. We are talking about damping (the exponential loss of amplitude of vibrating objects. With materials that damp well, that energy is mostly converted to heat, but some will be radiated, and quantitatively above the critical frequency. Good daping materials will have a high damping factor, an intrinsic property that has to be measured (like density). And for effective damping, we are looking for a figure around 0.4 (no dimensions). As stated, not many materials have a damping factor of around 0.4, with all metals, most plastics, all ceramics and most wood being much lower that 0.4.

Decent damping materials include some wood ( many ironbarks (Eucalyptus), some ironwoods and Jarrah), but most tropical hardwoods have very little damping, even temperate climate woods are not good in their raw state. Other materials which are excellent are engineered woods, such as Panzerholz and Permali (resinated ply), and composites of polyester resin with granular bentonite clay. Most materials sited in hifi circles are pretty hopeless, especially mdf, ply and slate.

If there were any really good, cheap and readily available material/s, they would be used by turntable manufacturers. There aren't.

One can add damping, but it takes a lot of effort and time and material to accomplish something which a single material should provide. And don't get carried away with (so-called) cld (constrained layer damping). Most plinths purporting to be cld are not anything of the kind, but just multiple layers of disparate or the same material stuck together. This is not cld, but a glulam, short for glued laminate, they are not good at damping. HTH
 
The 'final' plinth (*see below) is not yet finished, as there is still much to test. It is proposed to be in three parts, one for the motor, one for the main bearing/platter and one for the arm board which is designed to match the mechanical impedance of the arm, which will be my Jelco 750 with OTF VTA adjustment, as the finished turntable is the hifi equivalent of a 'concept car'. Constructed of CFRP, with Nomex honeycomb centre, filled with syntactic foam. There's not much to see ATM, but no doubt I will post some pics when its finished.

* not really a plinth, more a top plate/plinth all in one structure.
 
The 'final' plinth (*see below) is not yet finished, as there is still much to test. It is proposed to be in three parts, one for the motor, one for the main bearing/platter and one for the arm board which is designed to match the mechanical impedance of the arm, which will be my Jelco 750 with OTF VTA adjustment, as the finished turntable is the hifi equivalent of a 'concept car'. Constructed of CFRP, with Nomex honeycomb centre, filled with syntactic foam. There's not much to see ATM, but no doubt I will post some pics when its finished.

* not really a plinth, more a top plate/plinth all in one structure.

Wow - that sounds exciting. Can't wait to see it
 
The 'final' plinth (*see below) is not yet finished, as there is still much to test. It is proposed to be in three parts, one for the motor, one for the main bearing/platter and one for the arm board which is designed to match the mechanical impedance of the arm, which will be my Jelco 750 with OTF VTA adjustment, as the finished turntable is the hifi equivalent of a 'concept car'. Constructed of CFRP, with Nomex honeycomb centre, filled with syntactic foam. There's not much to see ATM, but no doubt I will post some pics when its finished.

* not really a plinth, more a top plate/plinth all in one structure.

Hi Helen Bach
Am interested to hear your thoughts on resinated bamboo slabs
I am about to embark on a L75 resurrection using plates on a plinth of resinated bamboo slabs
Cheers
Shahrin
 
Hi Shahrin'
I've had a quick look at bamboo, and initially thought it would be useful. But it does give strange results (which I haven't got to the bottom of, yet). The bamboo I looked at was multi layers of thin strips all glued together. Although I obtained good results initially, I realised that the results showed it may have been 'working' as several layers, at the same time (if you follow!). These 'several layers' did not have good damping, only the whole structure. The jury is still out, as far as I am concerned, but I have managed to get hold of about 8 or 9 samples of different constructions to test as soon as the weather improves, so that I can get back into my workshop. I think the bamboo construction I had problems with was called Tiger Bamboo.
 
the construction of all the samples I have is different, but being quite anisotropic, all may have problems. We shall see, once I test them. Also, I don't think they are 'resinated', just glued and left bare, for the DIYer to add a finish or other treatment to their requirements. I have to test out a lot of oil/wax mixes as well.
 


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