paulfromcamden
Baffled
One business leader said that after several meetings with the party, they were now “pretty relaxed” about its plans...
One business leader said that after several meetings with the party, they were now “pretty relaxed” about its plans...
Can anyone (other than a Tory voter anyway) tell me why they are considering voting for this lot?One business leader said that after several meetings with the party, they were now “pretty relaxed” about its plans...
People want rid of the Tories and Labour seem to be the only party with a hope of beating them in most English constituencies. So I get it.Can anyone (other than a Tory voter anyway) tell me why they are considering voting for this lot?*
They will be worse than the Tories.
That’s not me saying that, they’re telling you themselves ffs.
Yes, I do get it.People want rid of the Tories and Labour seem to be the only party with a hope of beating them in most English constituencies. So I get it.
I don't know if Labour will be quite as horrendous. As Steve says, I don't think we'll see the same levels of grift and corruption.
But on pretty much every other measure they're a disaster. I see Starmer was on the radio again recently stating that he doesn't believe trans women are women...
Yes. Though maybe the issues are not separate, maybe they all come out of the same cauldron of nicely fermenting greed and corruption?Speaking only for myself of course, but I find the points being made here are moot. I can't bring myself to vote for any political party that is complicit in genocide/mass starvation. To do so represents a vote of support for this agenda.
John
We will get the same thing anyway.Ok, so if you don't vote Labour, then what happens? Do we really want another Tory term in power?
Ok, so if you don't vote Labour, then what happens? Do we really want another Tory term in power? Look what happened with Brexit. It was voter complacency that meant the Brexiteers won. There is a lot wrong with Labour BUT they are the only party with a chance of beating the Tories at the next election. It's sad that we have come to a point of voting for one party to keep the other one out, rather than for their 'merits', but that's the reality.
Not quite. If the tories* get reelected, not only will we get more of what we have now, they'll be emboldened by the victory and double-down. After all, they'll have a shiny new mandate for more of the same, only harder.We will get the same thing anyway.
Yes. labour* will be more tory than the tories.Not quite. If the tories* get reelected, not only will we get more of what we have now, they'll be emboldened by the victory and double-down. After all, they'll have a shiny new mandate for more of the same, only harder.
* I've stopped capitalising the word tory. Partly because there's nothing 'proper' about that noun, but also for the same reason that I've never used a capital letter on the word 'arsehole'.
Speaking only for myself of course, but I find the points being made here are moot. I can't bring myself to vote for any political party that is complicit in genocide/mass starvation. To do so represents a vote of support for this agenda.
John
Anyone concerned about the NHS, Schools, or inflation, is voting to make each and every one of those a whole lot worse if they vote LabourNot sure Gaza is going to make much of a difference. Voters are more concerned about the NHS, schools, inflation, mortgage rates, etc. - and, of course, kicking the Tories out.
Presumably the tories teamed up with labour. How cosy...Not going to the plan in Scotlandshire. Even with help from the Tories:
SNP defeats Labour’s motion of no confidence in Holyrood
Scottish Greens vote with government despite uncertainty after Humza Yousaf’s resignationwww.theguardian.com
What workers’ right package?What do the unions think about the new workers' right package? Will there be more strikes?
What new workers?What do the unions think about the new workers' right package? Will there be more strikes?