It's now reached the stage where Hi-Fi Mags are saying a bare turntable costing 11K is ok for a mid priced turntable? My Oracle/kuzmaref,/Koetsu cost me 1200 quid buying wisely. The current model of my amps would cost 16,000 Euros,bought for $2,000. It's utter lunacy the money folks are loosing selling used gear and still they all persist in box swapping and come on here to give their 'considered' opinion on what's good value, more money than sense for the most part. If they all stopped buying overpriced crap our better halves might not take such a dim view of listening to good music as opposed to watching s--t on the tv.