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Have you got your XL on a lead ?

the breed itself is inherently dangerous and should imo be unreservedly banned.


IT IS NOT A BREED. And as such cannot possibly be inherently anything at all.

The dogs are total bitsas/heinz. They are no more a breed than are lurchers, arguably far less so.
There are endless women with young kids who have what are labelled bullie XL, who will queue up to tell you how trustworthy and loving their dogs are.
 
The whole thing is nuts.

What breed(s) are routinely used for security work, including the ones trained to bring down criminals?
Are they popular pets?
 
The whole thing is nuts.

What breed(s) are routinely used for security work, including the ones trained to bring down criminals?
Are they popular pets?

GSD? Yes.

They are trained to protect rather than kill though, you can see it in their behaviour clearly.

Even with them you can see the wolf coming through at times; i remember the time my first one met a small flock of sheep well.
 
The correct terminology, as used by the Government, is XL Bully Devil Dogs. They are not called that for nothing. Evil dogs.

I suggest that anyone who doesn't like this should move to Scotland.

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GSD? Yes.

They are trained to protect rather than kill though, you can see it in their behaviour clearly.

Even with them you can see the wolf coming through at times; i remember the time my first one met a small flock of sheep well.

I have seen my fair share of anti-social GSD. An ex mother in law was a breeder.

If the GSD had the same numbers of completely unsuitable owners then we would probably see horror stories in the press relating to GSD. As an intelligent breed, with lots of drive, they can be trained to be many things. One man’s protection dog is another man’s attack dog. This can be applied to Belgian Malinois, Black Russian Terrier, Rottweiler, Akita, Mastiffs, Kangal, Cane Corso, Doberman etc

I have been following this XL Bully trend for sometime as a guy I coach is a dog handler. He picks up abandoned dogs, strays, dogs that have bitten. He has handled many XL Bully “type”, and he says many have been ok. But he also says many are not, probably due to lack of socialisation, training, nurture, stimulation and unfortunately some do have an inherently aggressive streak. That is HIS experience of the breed. He says there have been a couple he would have happily adopted, but numerous he would have no qualms about being put to sleep as they could never be trusted. He has been bitten twice in the last year, once by a XL and once by an Akita. The Akita was just a hateful creature, whereas the XL greeted him into his pen everyday then one day it just decided to attack him. Make of that what you will.

He shared one story about an XL that beggars belief. Early in 2023 he got called out to collect an XL that had bitten its owner, when I say bitten....the guy had his arm or part of it amputated. Within a week the owner stated he wanted his prize stud dog back. The police apparently went along with this, and months later the dog went back. About two-three weeks ago the handler was called out to collect an XL that had bitten a teenager and another child. The child suffered a bite that went down to the bone, and the arm was broken. The dog greeted the handler happily, because it recognised him from months being spent in the kennels before unbelievably being returned to the one armed owner. Blame and fault can be laid at a number of doors with this but jeez....we have some stupid laws and many stupid owners of dogs that have massive potential for inflicting damage.
 
IT IS NOT A BREED. And as such cannot possibly be inherently anything at all.

The dogs are total bitsas/heinz. They are no more a breed than are lurchers, arguably far less so.
There are endless women with young kids who have what are labelled bullie XL, who will queue up to tell you how trustworthy and loving their dogs are.

Semantics? You really are clutching at straws now.
 
meanwhile. back at the basic idea of the post, and considering Scotland's stance, I'm with them.
Maybe, IME. 5% of dogs are born dangerous (as are 5% of humans), and in both cases proper care and genuine love and understanding can help a great deal.
 
and that is why I personally subscribe to the idea of licensing of dog ownership combined with making the owner liable for any injury inflicted by their dog. Make it comparable to Common Assault, ABH, GBH, Wounding with Intent etc. Bring in real consequences and behaviour of the owners would probably change, and probably the trends of ownership.
 
Agree with that. After all, the good people actually love animals. Assholes rich and poor would be in trouble, and in ( a short) time, this would be a better place for dogs who love (unconditionally) and for us who love animals.
Gotta be right?
 
A couple with an XL bully say they're considering a move to Scotland where the dogs aren't banned.
From next month, it will be a criminal offence to own the breed in England and Wales without a special certificate.
New rules introduced in both countries this week have already made it illegal to breed, sell, or walk an XL bully in public without a lead and a muzzle.
UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak says the ban is needed to "protect the public from devastating dog attacks".
The new law was introduced after a series of attacks involving the breed, some of them fatal, but lots of owners insist the dogs make good pets.
Lois Marshall, 24 and Leon Steele, 25, from Hebburn, near South Shields, say their life with XL bully Mika has changed since the ban was announced.

 
Move house rather than keep your dog on a lead and muzzled when out in public. Right, got it.

Though to be honest, if public attitudes towards these dogs, and their owners, have changed since the ban came in, I'm fine with that. Peer pressure is probably far more effective than legal coercion in >99% of cases.
 
I am afraid that that is just showing your ignorance.. Fact - there is no such breed as an XL bullie.

Maybe read the post above by @Mystic Mac and get educated?

Maybe you're unfamiliar with the meaning of 'Semantics', maybe not. Either way my point seems to have evaded you.

As for Mystic Meg's post: I did read it soon after it appeared. Quite what you mean by 'get educated' escapes me though. It just goes to prove that Xl Bullys are bloody dangerous. Any dog capable of causing that amount of physical damage ought to be outlawed.
 
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My trip to Scotland with 70,000 lorry loads of cement and breeze blocks has been cancelled.

Unlicensed XL bully dogs to be banned in Scotland, First Minister Humza Yousaf confirms​

 
got a situation where someone causing anti social behaviour and breeding XL bully pups . with Vulnerable persons in house . is it illegal to breed them now ? if so what do you do about it ?
 


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