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Go mirrorless they said...smaller and lighter they said...

Discussion in 'photo' started by canonman, Jun 13, 2019.

  1. canonman

    canonman pfm Member

  2. Mark_R

    Mark_R Well-Known Member

    Mirrorless won’t make any difference to long focal length lenses like these. The size of the lens will be driven by the lens aperture and the need to cover a ‘full-frame’ sensor without serious vignetting.

    The short registration length of a mirrorless camera can help make shorter focal length lenses more compact since they don’t need to be as strongly retro-focal, or even not retro-focal at all.
  3. mikechadwick

    mikechadwick pfm Member

    I guess with full frame you can’t reduce the size and weight of the lenses so any real size/ weight savings made with the mirrorless bodies are offset. With the Panasonic S1/ S1R there isn’t even a real saving over an DSLR body!
  4. tuga

    tuga European

    I've been using mirrorless for a few years now (E-M5, X-T1, E-M5 II, X-T2 and again X-T1), and considering going back to reflex...

    I like the smaller size of body and lens (I use a wide-normal pancake) but ultimately prefer the feel of the reflex.
  5. Tony Lockhart

    Tony Lockhart pfm Member

    Well, here on the left with have Canon’s EF 70-200, and on the right their upcoming RF 70-200 for mirrorless. No word on the respective weights, but Canon are certainly working hard at chopping the grams off at the mo.


    Oh come on. Photo shows while editing post, turns into a red X in the thread. Grrr.
    Last edited: Jun 14, 2019
  6. Bananahead

    Bananahead pfm Member

    Very few lenses have a mirror
  7. Tony Lockhart

    Tony Lockhart pfm Member

  8. suzywong

    suzywong pfm Member

    I think it’s a witticism..............
  9. Stunsworth

    Stunsworth pfm Member

    But some do.
  10. canonman

    canonman pfm Member

  11. Stunsworth

    Stunsworth pfm Member

  12. albireo

    albireo pfm Member

  13. eternumviti

    eternumviti pfm Member

    I would think that the Df is as much about marketing as any camera, given the eye-watering price for what you actually get.

    PS, I'd love one. Only I can't afford one.
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  14. albireo

    albireo pfm Member

    My point was not so much about the camera but about the lenses and concept.

    Replace the Df above with a D610 if the price/feature ratio of the Df is of concern - I believe my point would still stand. If you find the Voigtlander 40mm also expensive, replace it with the Nikkor 50 f/1.8D. Cracking setup and I doubt anyone will be able to tell apart in a blind test the pictures you take with it from those you take with a Z6+phallus shaped £400-worth 50mm 1.8S lens (unless we're shooting brick walls or test patterns perhaps).

    Tangentially - I find the Z6 or Z7's price truly eyewatering, and I hate paying for features I don't need. For starters, I don't need video features. Lately I've found I don't need too many buttons. I don't need menus either.

    But that's just me. I'm a young hipster with the brain of a grumpy old fart. I've sold all my digital equipment and have gone back to a tiny Olympus OM2n with 28mm and 50mm. Tiny, always with me, and I'm having a cracking time developing and scanning my own film. Horses for courses! :)
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  15. Snufkin

    Snufkin pfm Member

    If you love the OM2 with a 28mm lens (one of my favourite lens sizes) you will adore the Contax G1/2 with their 28mm which is just stunning.
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  16. Joe P

    Joe P certified Buffologist / mod

    The Df has been available for almost six years now and the price hasn’t dropped in that time. In fact, in Canada the price has increased but likely because of our crappy dollar. But when it was released I thought it was quite something. A full-frame D4 sensor in the smallest and lightest body with a battery that lasts forever and — the important thing — it had Nikon in non-italic font.

    As albireo notes, that and a couple of Voigtlander primes make for a light and capable camera.

    I think the Df was a one-off for Nikon — much like the SP 2005 — so don't hold your breath for a Df2.

  17. eternumviti

    eternumviti pfm Member

    I'm actually quite interested in a Z because of the enhanced video capabilities, but that apart I would see little point in buying one. The prices are anyway progressively dropping.

    I use a D7200 and have a number of DX lenses, so changing to a Z6 would entail a complete system change. 4k video would open more possibilities, but the sensible thing would probably be to go to a D500.

    I also am using film again, I have a couple of F3s, one old and battered, the other which has only had about 5 reels of film through it.
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  18. Mr Perceptive

    Mr Perceptive Perceptive Member

    Or wait for the inevitable Nikon Crop Mirrorless Camera
  19. eternumviti

    eternumviti pfm Member

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  20. Tony Lockhart

    Tony Lockhart pfm Member

    I can feel myself wanting a medium format-ish mirrorless. I can’t justify the funds, but I think for a large number of my images that’d be spot on. I hope it’s just a matter of me waiting long enough for sensible prices.

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