Heckyman
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And Germany have had to increase production from their coal fired PSs — now accounting for over half their production. Meanwhile Kosovo have had to introduce 2 hour rolling blackouts…
Gas and Electricity Prices
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And Germany have had to increase production from their coal fired PSs — now accounting for over half their production. Meanwhile Kosovo have had to introduce 2 hour rolling blackouts…
Caledon1297
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Yes it is confusing.
I think they - whoever 'they' are - use a figure based on some sort of average household consumption rate, so they should qualify it by stating "for the average household" or whatever it actually is.
this is interesting - well I think so: www.onaverage.co.uk
The problem is that rates vary depending on things like energy region, method of payment etc., and then, it's based upon 'Typical Domestic Consumption Values' (aka 'typical use'), defined by OFGEM currently as 2900 kWh Electricity/12000 kWh Gas. It doesn't help that MSM sometimes (often?) omits the 'typical use' part when reporting a cap of £1277.
Mike Reed
pfm Member
Totally disagree, Lewis. All infrastructure has installation and maintenance costs. Other infrastructure (transport, fuel etc.) is priced into costs as used.. The only difference is that homes are captive and you can't do anything about how energy and water is charged. What, I ask you, is the correlation between wholesale energy costs and maintenance costs? Yet the two are entwined by concurrent price rises.
A few years ago one could get tariffs which excluded standing charges so the precedent has been set and, I think, endorses my argument. However, there haven't been such tariffs for a couple or more years now. I wonder if buy-to-let and its concomitant void periods had anything to do with the demise of those accounts.
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Ponty
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Stayed with friends over New Year. They have a very nice contemporary house which has an A rating on the EPC. Recently installed an air source heat pump, which is sucking electricity out of the grid like there’s none tomorrow. The smart meter is saying £20 a day, that’s £7K a year, to run an A energy rated house! When you think of people installing these things in badly insulated houses, it’s bonkers, they just won’t work.
Aethelist
pfm Member
EPC's are not worth the paper they are written on nowadays. It's a totally outdated methodology invented by some boffins at the BRE back in 2007 when gas was so much less expensive than electricity. They need to move the goalposts some.
Apart from that, modern new builds are so well insulated that installing an air conditioning unit to prevent your blood boiling in a hot globally warmed summer will become duh riguer in the not too distant future.
Insulate Britain?
Hmm.
Apart from that, modern new builds are so well insulated that installing an air conditioning unit to prevent your blood boiling in a hot globally warmed summer will become duh riguer in the not too distant future.
Insulate Britain?
Hmm.
PhilofCas
pfm Member
misterdog
Not the canine kind
According to the building regs, but the quality (sic) of construction means that the finished article more often leaks like a sieve.
Without airtight construction much of the insulation is wasted.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50573338
PhilofCas
pfm Member
It’s school level physics this, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_insulation, learned well before Google .
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Mike Reed
pfm Member
Indeed, and they were always a rudimentary tick-box inspection. The flat I had a new EPC for 18 months ago had an overall rating lower than when I bought it 6 years previously. Despite everything remaining the same except for uprated (LCD ?) lighting everywhere and a complete electrical overhaul. When I asked why, he said the the marking parameters had changed. I just think that the rating is also subject to the vagaries of human evaluation and interpretation.
I'd imagine that an A rated property must be almost hermetically sealed and I wouldn't fancy living in one. Open a window in winter and that's the rating compromised. About time they came up with a real world representative system. I can understand tightening this aspect for rental properties, where tenants don't get much of a say (and these ARE tightening; drastically) but if buying and selling, it's a fairly valueless guide and, I understand, rarely if ever a deal-breaker, or even negotiation basis. Caveat emptor has always applied here.
I gather the environmental labels applicable to many white goods have recently changed (and ostensibly 'downgraded'), adding confusion just when the general public have come to terms with the status quo ante.
lagavullin10y
pfm Member
There is something wrong then. I’ve an old detached house from 1926 and the asph gets it warm well under euro 10 a day in December. Euro 10 includes other energy consumption too.
mikemusic
pfm Member
A thermal survey is an eye opener.
I had these guys and found more heat loss than I could have imagined
https://www.pixelthermographics.co.uk/buildings/residential-thermal-imaging
Draughts are the most important.
Even when fully insulated there will still be draughts from insulation joins, light switches, door locks, light fittings and more
I had these guys and found more heat loss than I could have imagined
https://www.pixelthermographics.co.uk/buildings/residential-thermal-imaging
Draughts are the most important.
Even when fully insulated there will still be draughts from insulation joins, light switches, door locks, light fittings and more
Darth Vader
From the Dark Side
Thats not quite true. Have you not come across endothermic chemical reactions or performed the rubber band stretching experiment. In both cases entropy decreases.
Remember entropy is a measurement of disorder.
Fun,
DV
paulfromcamden
Baffled
Wowser! How big was the house?!
Ponty
pfm Member
It’s not ridiculous, under 3,000 sq ft, probably closer to 2,500. On the north Devon coast so the air ‘should’ be a little warmer than average for the UK. Bloody thing was noisy as well as ugly.
I’m hopefully moving to a place which has a brand new, tried and tested, Vaillant gas boiler and very pleased it hasn’t got a heat pump to be honest.
Richard Lines
pfm Member
Good Afternoon All,
My current Octopus Go tariff is due to expire on January 14th, just EM's them yesterday to confirm I'm rolling over to the new Go tariff..............
Regards
Richard
My current Octopus Go tariff is due to expire on January 14th, just EM's them yesterday to confirm I'm rolling over to the new Go tariff..............
Regards
Richard
Richard Lines
pfm Member
Another one of those installs that makes my blood boil. The installer should be named/ shamed and then publicly executed.......................... It is so easy to sort stuff like this out if only we had an administration capable of doing so.
Regards
Richard