Nick_G
pfm Member
When will there be a report into the Conservative's institutional racism and anti-Muslim policies? I know this report is not good but the Tories are far worse.
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When will there be a report into the Conservative's institutional racism and anti-Muslim policies? I know this report is not good but the Tories are far worse.
richardkendell
pfm Member
That's not the way the posts read
Joe Hutch
Mate of the bloke
Here is what Romulus wrote:
'Keir Starmer has suspended Jermyn Corbyn from the Labour Party as I understand for his anti Jewish stance. This is no surprise at all for me because if any one including the press bothered researching Keir Starmer background they would learn he is married to a Jewish lady and has adopted the Jewish faith for his children. If anything maybe he was well primed by his Rabbi's. This fact omitted from present news reporting is astounding...'
My interpretation of those words seems to be correct. (The criticism of the Labour leadership's response to allegations of anti-Semitism pre-dates Starmer's election as Leader, so the religion of Starmer's wife is irrelevant).
It is something of a self fulfilling prophecy though as Corbyn supporters are more likely to be sympathetic to his views & from the left of the party.
The present parties are deeply conservative and have minimal grasp of the issues facing humanity; if the right were true capitalists they'd be all over green policies to preserve the economy and protect it from the downsides of global warming.
The left bang on about the same stuff they've been on for 50 years.
Even the Greens seem afraid to mention their USP and push for ZPG and zero CO2.
A new broom making way for some government with science and engineering expertise to lead the world to a climate change fix is required.
We started the industrial revolution, maybe we should set an example to show there can be a clean way forward.
sq225917
Bit of this, bit of that
Its simple, kick out anyone who broke the law, kick out anyone who broke the Labour partys own rules on antisemitism and have a long chat with anyone else who is deemed not to have broken the rules but teetered on the edge.
There has to be a labour party statement on the gap between antisemitism and justified criticism of the actions of the state of Israel, so that fair criticism remains possible and clearly stands outside of the antisemitism definition.
There has to be a labour party statement on the gap between antisemitism and justified criticism of the actions of the state of Israel, so that fair criticism remains possible and clearly stands outside of the antisemitism definition.
Seanm
pfm Member
Worth pointing out that he didn't say the report overstated the problem: the worst he's said about the report is "While I do not accept all of its findings, I trust its recommendations will be swiftly implemented to help move on from this period."
Given that the Labour Party was widely described as a threat to Jewish safety, as institutionally antisemitic and so on, it's simply undeniable that the problem was overstated. I haven't read the report yet but by all accounts it doesn't support any of the wilder claims, so it's not unreasonable that Corbyn would feel at least somewhat vindicated, especially given what he personally was accused of.
What's odd, if also predictable, is that the report is being reported as if it did confirm the wilder allegations. What it does confirm is bad enough, you'd have thought, but apparently not bad enough for many. Corbyn's suspension serves a useful purpose then, in that it's what you'd expect to happen if the report had confirmed everything that's been said over the last few years.
Anyway you have to ask yourself if it's good that in order to avoid being suspended from the party, members are expected to state publicly that something everybody knows happened - real problems within the party were exploited for factional purposes - definitely did not happen. While it's happening to the former leader. I mean, is that a good place to start, if you're trying to fight antisemitism?
Brian
Eating fat, staying slim
This is spot on. Excellent post.
Seanm
pfm Member
Definitely at least one very obviously antisemitic post that I can see, and the fact that not everyone can see it shows how difficult it is to sort anywhere, and that education is probably better than macho one-strike-and-you're-out policies. Ship's sailed on that one though I'd have thought.
ks.234
Half way to Infinity
One first reading the report seems to be an investigation into the Labour Party, not Jeremy Corbyn and as such it has found the Labour Party guilty in a couple of instances, not Jeremy Corbyn.
People will no doubt jump on the anti Corbyn bandwagon without looking at what's driving it, but to do so is to believe that anti-semitism arrived and then left with one man within a short and frantic timeframe, which is unsustainable.
People will no doubt jump on the anti Corbyn bandwagon without looking at what's driving it, but to do so is to believe that anti-semitism arrived and then left with one man within a short and frantic timeframe, which is unsustainable.
gavreid
Pretty Words...
There's no home for the Left in Labour - that should be abundantly clear today. Even rightwing Stephen Kinnock got a dressing down for daring to address Palestine, in a Parliamentary speech, of all things.
https://labourlist.org/2020/09/act-...aeli-settlements-kinnock-urges-uk-government/
ks.234
Half way to Infinity
Yes, antisemitism in the Labour Party preceded Jeremy Corbyn
Enfield boy
pfm Member
It is quite likely that the person most responsible for the failure to clear this mess up is Iain McNicol, recently ennobled.
richardkendell
pfm Member
Well I don't usually find myself in agreement with you but I do today.
JensenHealey
pfm Member
The report specifically called out a failure of leadership, directly naming JC.
Del monaco
Del Monaco
One of the report writers named him today as a figure who is accountable along with his office. I think that’s pretty clear.
