Enfield boy
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According to the BBC about 20% more, yes. However as Palmcock counts nasal swabs and throat swabs as 2 tests the numbers may not be sound.
It looks as though it is rising quickest in the south now so they will probably try & do something else half arsed & ineffective.
Lockdown over December for maximum misery?
Personally not a fan of the ‘firebreak’ but October was the time to do it by extending school holiday.Perhaps they could tie it in with Christmas, give us all and enforced 3-4 week Christmas holiday
Testing capacity seem pretty good now, probably as high as anywhere but it’s what happens afterwards that is key. Testing alone is pointless without follow up action.
And there’s another thing. Testing and tracing may be just ineffective when the disease is prevalent, no tracing system could ever keep up, not even a world class one. That’s one reason for some sort of locking down in the UK now.
But what to do when disease levels come back down? I mean, how to stop people passing it on at their leisure or at their work, and the whole thing starting again. I don’t have an answer.
The only reason to lock down is not to prevent deaths but to prevent the NHS being over run, locking down doesn't solve anything because you eventually have to open up at some point and then you're just back to the start.
The only thing I can think is that we just have periodic shut downs so the NHS can clear out ready for the next lot after reopening. Obviously this would require massive financial commitment from the government, the Tories would have to swallow the pill and just get their hand in their pocket, unlikely though as it goes against everything they stand for.
The problem is deeper than that, it is the lack of compliance when people are told to isolate which is the main worry. People who need to work will just avoid a number they don’t recognise. I don’t have answers either.And there’s another thing. Testing and tracing may be just ineffective when the disease is prevalent, no tracing system could ever keep up, not even a world class one. That’s one reason for some sort of locking down in the UK now.
But what to do when disease levels come back down? I mean, how to stop people passing it on at their leisure or at their work, and the whole thing starting again. I don’t have an answer.
The problem is deeper than that, it is the lack of compliance when people are told to isolate which is the main worry. People who need to work will just avoid a number they don’t recognise. I don’t have answers either.
I am not blaming individuals btw, it is just an observation, people will take health risks to earn money.
Except that didn’t appear to happen last time, we ‘protected the NHS’ but at what cost? Other treatments were suspended, the massive influx to A&E never happened, nowhere close to capacity. I think we will have more problems now though as people just get sicker in winter, this is always the case.The only reason to lock down is not to prevent deaths but to prevent the NHS being over run, locking down doesn't solve anything because you eventually have to open up at some point and then you're just back to the start.
The only thing I can think is that we just have periodic shut downs so the NHS can clear out ready for the next lot after reopening. Obviously this would require massive financial commitment from the government, the Tories would have to swallow the pill and just get their hand in their pocket, unlikely though as it goes against everything they stand for.
Yes, a lot of important work still needs to be done as not everyone can work from home. We need food production, energy, water, transport etcI know, I meant that. But it’s even deeper than that. It’s the impossibility of working without being in a team, and the impossibility of being in a team and keeping apart. This became clear to me in a post ages ago here, from someone who was some sort of engineer, he was working on fixing some huge piece of industrial plant, part of a team, everyone well intentioned and informed about how to stay safe. But, he said, at some point there was a problem and so they all just spontaneously got together into a huddle to solve it together . . . And I though - impossible to stop that, it’s too natural.
Yes, a lot of important work still needs to be done as not everyone can work from home. We need food production, energy, water, transport etc
23 065 cases today, 1279 hospitalisations (England 26th), and 280 deaths.
That is not good. How many days or weeks to NHS overload now? Really can’t be long. They’ll be forced to pick people to live/die again soon due to lack of staff and equipment, heartbreaking stuff (for the staff as well as the patients/families).
That is not good. How many days or weeks to NHS overload now? Really can’t be long. They’ll be forced to pick people to live/die again soon due to lack of staff and equipment, heartbreaking stuff (for the staff as well as the patients/families).
She stated at a press conference yesterday that the system had become overwhelmed and was unable to cope,hence the minor shutdown that was being introduced.
That is not good. How many days or weeks to NHS overload now? Really can’t be long. They’ll be forced to pick people to live/die again soon due to lack of staff and equipment, heartbreaking stuff (for the staff as well as the patients/families).