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Coronavirus - the new strain VII

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Feelin' nearly faded as my jeans
Tony L said:
Hancock has just announced a £60k payout to the families of healthcare workers who have died from C19. The cynic in me suspects this might be because the government realises it was open to legal claims regarding inadequate PPE...
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Hopefully that's on top of the 2 x annual salary that's paid on death in service.
 
From Tony Holohan our CMO. 1/2 our death rate from nursing homes. Like UK and probably all of Europe we have high incident of healthcare workers impacted. My Daughter is in her last couple of days of isolation. No symptoms throughout the illness. HSE CEO suggested that possibly asymptomatic cases in either patients/workers may have exacerbated the spread in nursing homes where conditions were never designed to deal with something like this.
Last week he commented on PPE issues. Basically gazumping after securing contracts. Please god the EU sees the light and starts investing in indigenous suppliers across the industrial spectrum for the future.



''Eighteen more people who were diagnosed with Covid-19 have died in Ireland, the Department of Health has said.

17 of the 18 deaths reported today have been laboratory confirmed. It brings the total number of deaths linked to the virus to 1,102.

There have also been 386 more cases of coronavirus diagnosed here, bringing the number of confirmed cases to 19,648.

Deaths associated with nursing homes account for almost half of all Covid-19 deaths.

The Chief Medical Officer, Dr Tony Holohan, said that 546 of the recorded deaths are linked to nursing homes, accounting for 49.5% of all deaths.

Dr Holohan said there are now 355 clusters of Covid-19 in community residential facilities, linked to 3,875 notified cases of the virus. 211 clusters are in nursing homes, linked to 3,048 cases.

Regarding these cases, Dr Holohan said that 213 of the cases in nursing homes were admitted to hospitals.

As of midnight on Saturday 25 April, 2,625 cases had resulted in hospitalisation. 353 of these cases lead to people being admitted to Intensive Care Units.

The median age of those patients admitted to ICU so far is 60, while the median age of all those diagnosed with the virus is 49. 5,204 cases are associated with healthcare workers.

Dr Holohan said that while trends around the virus are encouraging, further progress would be needed ahead of 5 May - when existing restrictions lapse - in order for a recommendation to ease these restrictions.

He said we have a continue "small but persistent" admission rate to intensive care units every day.''
 
Death in service payouts in the 21st century are in a different realm to £60k. Demonstrate negligence and you can add five zeros on to the end. Johnson picked up £275,000 in one year from the Barclays as a retainer!
 
ff1d1l said:
Because johnson has stuffed the scientific advisory body with brexshit cvnts, not scientists, and we should know about it.
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I know where you're coming from but if Cummings did as was alleged, took over the meetings, he was there as an observer, not an official committee member so 'outing' SAGE members might not have the effect you want. What you need to know is what the committee decided / recommended; that should be enough for an intelligent person to identify if the advice to Government was soundly based in science or political dogma. Then asking who in that room wasn't a subject matter expert.

Demanding scientists and academics be put in the firing line to address poor governance is a very good way to assure that you'll scare off a fair few from future
 
Somebody joked on here to get the amount of PPE the government held was large because they counted the number of gloves not boxes or pairs and guess what that is exactly what they were doing making a joke of 500.000 + pieces of PPE a joke
 
Seeker_UK said:
I know where you're coming from but if Cummings did as was alleged, took over the meetings, he was there as an observer, not an official committee member so 'outing' SAGE members might not have the effect you want. What you need to know is what the committee decided / recommended; that should be enough for an intelligent person to identify if the advice to Government was soundly based in science or political dogma. Then asking who in that room wasn't a subject matter expert.

Demanding scientists and academics be put in the firing line to address poor governance is a very good way to assure that you'll scare off a fair few from future
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We need to know who they scientists are, party memberships etc - it should all be transparent and on the record
 
TheDecameron said:
Death in service payouts in the 21st century are in a different realm to £60k.
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Death in service under the NHS pension scheme is an automatic 2 x salary (£50-70k).

What's paid if negligence can be proven is something else.
 
gavreid said:
I know - but click and collect for trade accounts is not the same as being open to the public for pots of paint. The Government guidance is clear on essential items, and paint isn't one of them...
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As far as I know the government has no guidance on essential items. They have guidance on essential shops. This may seem like quibbling, but the important difference is that essential shops can sell anything they like. B&Q is classified as an essential shop presumably as a hardware store. They can sell paint or signed photos of Kylie Minogue if they like. Specialist photos-of-Kylie retailers may not like it, as they have had to close, but tough.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...her-businesses-and-premises-to-close-guidance
 
gavreid said:
We need to know who they scientists are, party memberships etc - it should all be transparent and on the record
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First off, the decisions advice will be on the record, just not publicly issued.

On the transparency issue, I agree. It's just in this instance, if people joined SAGE for Coronavirus on the understanding their membership would not be made public, then they should have the right for their identity to not be made available to the general public. After this, make it a publicly transparent entity and everyone who agrees to sit on the committee does so on that understanding.
 
glancaster said:
As far as I know the government has no guidance on essential items. They have guidance on essential shops. This may seem like quibbling, but the important difference is that essential shops can sell anything they like. B&Q is classified as an essential shop presumably as a hardware store. They can sell paint or signed photos of Kylie Minogue if they like. Specialist photos-of-Kylie retailers may not like it, as they have had to close, but tough.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...her-businesses-and-premises-to-close-guidance
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Where I come from food and medicine are not generally on sale at B&Q. Like the film, who needs a toy maker in a land with no children?


1. Staying at home
You should only leave the house for very limited purposes:

 
Seeker_UK said:
First off, the decisions advice will be on the record, just not publicly issued.

On the transparency issue, I agree. It's just in this instance, if people joined SAGE for Coronavirus on the understanding their membership would not be made public, then they should have the right for their identity to not be made available to the general public. After this, make it a publicly transparent entity and everyone who agrees to sit on the committee does so on that understanding.
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I would find such an undertaking very troubling
 
gavreid said:
Where I come from food and medicine are not generally on sale at B&Q. Like the film, who needs a toy maker in a land with no children?


1. Staying at home
You should only leave the house for very limited purposes:

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Food and medicine are an example, Gav. Hardware shops also sell essentials, which is presumably why the government allows them to open. But shops selling food, medicine, and hardware, are allowed to sell other things too. I don't think this is really that hard to understand.
 
Tony L said:
Hancock has just announced a £60k payout to the families of healthcare workers who have died from C19. The cynic in me suspects this might be because the government realises it was open to legal claims regarding inadequate PPE...
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Won’t stop litigation.
Hancock said so.
 
gavreid said:
to join to committee on the grounds that their membership is kept secret. Most of these people, if not all of them, will be in high profile public sector roles, and paid by the tax payer
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Rest easy, it would appear that previous meetings are fully documented and membership is published, just not in the Coronavirus case; you may draw your own conclusion why that is the case.

A lot of the output from SAGE is here: https://www.gov.uk/government/group...mergencies-sage-coronavirus-covid-19-response so you might be able to find some evidence in their advice that the non-scientists present had undue influence.
 
glancaster said:
Food and medicine are an example, Gav. Hardware shops also sell essentials, which is presumably why the government allows them to open. But shops selling food, medicine, and hardware, are allowed to sell other things too. I don't think this is really that hard to understand.
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There's other advice that said going out for materials to paint the house is not allowed - was it Gove? B&Q is encouraging people to flout the Law by opening - in California people are still going out for a takeaway coffee!
 
Why are people being so obtuse today - going out for click and collect is not within the Govenment guidance - tradesmen on the other hand are allowed to work and therefore need tools and parts - I thought it was obvious but it seems that some people here need it spelling out.
 
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