Brexit: give me a positive effect... XIII

[tonerei]

Yeah, EU, UN, what's the difference? Both got a 'U' in, innit.

UKIP has a U in it also

 

[tonerei]

The latest is raising EU own money, the next is EU own taxation. Slowly does it. As someone pointed out Guy has been sidelined, he helped get Brexit done and was honest about the progress towards a USE.

What kind of brain washing did UKIP basic training put you through? Is electric shock and the option beginning with L the favoured techniques?

Is this raising of money a first? Has it ever happened before? Can you explain the economic logic?

 

[SteveS1]

If you begin with the premise that the greatest advantage of leaving the European Union is to have left the European Union, any discussion regarding the European Union is relevant to the advantages of Brexit.

This is revisionism even for you. The start was the premise that the greatest advantage of leaving the EU is to benefit the UK.

I did consider starting a new thread, not on Brexit per se, but on the EU, but, given the degree of unquestioning Europhilia on pfm's political pages there would have been few takers. And Tony, who is patently fed up with the whole thing, would probably either have binned it or amalgamated it.

So glad you didn't, if this is the limit of your justification for the resulting (and continuing) shambles.

 

[TheDecameron]

This is revisionism even for you. The start was the premise that the greatest advantage of leaving the EU is to benefit the UK.



So glad you didn't if this is the limit of your justification for the resulting shambles.

It was the same with Johnson’s leadership pitch- he would getbrexitdun and so it was that the general election was on a single issue- who would getbrexitdun? Well he was elected and he came back from Brussels proclaiming he gorrit dun. Now what?

 

[Colin Barron]

What kind of brain washing did UKIP basic training put you through? Is electric shock and the option beginning with L the favoured techniques?

Is this raising of money a first? Has it ever happened before? Can you explain the economic logic?

This raising of own money of up to 800 billion euros, to be distributed as grants and loans is new ground for the EU. The economic logic is low cost loans because of it backed by wealthy members. Will this raising of own money be a one off? Who will start making these repayments in 2028, i could be wrong but at a guess most will come from the present positive contributors.
Raising of own money EU taxation/ tariffs on carbon tax and digital companies tax has gone quiet for a while but no doubt it is on the back burner.

 

[SteveS1]

This raising of own money of up to 800 billion euros, to be distributed as grants and loans is new ground for the EU. The economic logic is low cost loans because of it backed by wealthy members. Will this raising of own money be a one off? Who will start making these repayments in 2028, i could be wrong but at a guess most will come from the present positive contributors.
Raising of own money EU taxation/ tariffs on carbon tax and digital companies tax has gone quiet for a while but no doubt it is on the back burner.

Still chuntering on about that stuff that's nothing to do with us and that hasn't happened, while ignoring stuff closer to home that very much has.

 

[eternumviti]

No fun loving Brexiteers or supposed labour supporters like that post. That is very telling for me. All the many posts on this thread about older people either voting for Brexit or secretly happy that the vote went the way they wanted is what dragged this shxt show over the line. This miserable mean spirited bunch have destroyed the future of the next generation. For what? Nada. Nothing for them nothing for their children. Nothing except maybe making closet UKIP supporters on this thread and HP Brown sauce loving ones who pretend to be concerned socialists and democracy supporters but secretly are happy the vote went the way it did. Couple that with well cossetted narcissistic Victor Meldrew middle aged English folk living in the empire past make up the couple of percent that pushed this shxt barely over the line.

That's all a bit dramatic.

 

[tonerei]

This raising of own money of up to 800 billion euros, to be distributed as grants and loans is new ground for the EU. The economic logic is low cost loans because of it backed by wealthy members. Will this raising of own money be a one off? Who will start making these repayments in 2028, i could be wrong but at a guess most will come from the present positive contributors.
Raising of own money EU taxation/ tariffs on carbon tax and digital companies tax has gone quiet for a while but no doubt it is on the back burner.

Go off and examine what countries have done over the last hundred years and identify ones who have never raised their own money. Have these countries then just taken that action once? Go examine the various repayment schedules and whether they were ever adjusted or prolonged?

Your last bit about tariffs and carbon tax is something that faces all countries. Do you think the UK will just ignore all this and go back to gas guzzling engines and coal fired electricity plants?
Most rationale people know the answers already.

 

[tonerei]

That's all a bit dramatic.

Thanks EV very short post for you much appreciated. Now put together a long word salad post with your list of imaginary benefits of Brexit? You have been very quiet today as you normally are when things start getting factual. Bull and bluster and fanciful thoughts on a parallel non-existent universe are where you normal excel.

 

[eternumviti]

Still chuntering on about that stuff that's nothing to do with us and that hasn't happened, while ignoring stuff closer to home that very much has.

If you begin with the premise that the greatest advantage of leaving the European Union is to have left the European Union, any discussion regarding the European Union is relevant to the advantages, or the disadvantages, of Brexit.

 

[eternumviti]

Thanks EV very short post for you much appreciated. Now put together a long word salad post with your list of imaginary benefits of Brexit? You have been very quiet today as you normally are when things start getting factual. Bull and bluster and fanciful thoughts on a parallel non-existent universe are where you normal excel.

I've just been busy. And I'm working myself up to a salady dissertation.

As for Brexit, I would (and before you jump, I've said it many times before) far prefer that it had never had to happen. But I happen to believe that it did.

I think, incidentally, that I've imparted more facts onto this thread than you've had hot dinners in the last 5 years.

 

[SteveS1]

If you begin with the premise that the greatest advantage of leaving the European Union is to have left the European Union, any discussion regarding the European Union is relevant to the advantages, or the disadvantages, of Brexit.

No it's not. For one, that wasn't the premise only in your revisionist terms and secondly it ignores the very real fall out here, which, instead of being included among the disadvantages, is then conveniently ignored. Must try harder.

 

[Sue Pertwee-Tyr]

UKIP has a U in it also

Oh bugger, so does UK. We’re going to have to leave ourselves.

 

[Colin Barron]

Go off and examine what countries have done over the last hundred years and identify ones who have never raised their own money. Have these countries then just taken that action once? Go examine the various repayment schedules and whether they were ever adjusted or prolonged?

Your last bit about tariffs and carbon tax is something that faces all countries. Do you think the UK will just ignore all this and go back to gas guzzling engines and coal fired electricity plants?
Most rationale people know the answers already.

You are missing the point the EU is raising own money, this is new, also own tax/ tariffs will be new.

 

[Sue Pertwee-Tyr]

Raising of own money EU taxation/ tariffs on carbon tax and digital companies tax has gone quiet for a while but no doubt it is on the back burner.

In all seriousness, what is the fundamental problem with any of these?

 

[tonerei]

You are missing the point the EU is raising own money, this is new, also own tax/ tariffs will be new.

Ah ok something new. Very strange bad strange thing. Is that what you are thinking?
So because the EU have managed to avoid doing this until now but because of a global pandemic they have decided needs must this is bad?
Are the UK borrowing less than the EU per capita? Are they not borrowing money at all?

Let's be honest here debating or discussing this is pointless. Facts mean nothing to you. they are just ignored as inconvenient truths.
I sincerely hope other Brexiteers are not using your logic to inform their decisions as it means there is no way back from the road to hell.

 

[Nero]

You are missing the point the EU is raising own money, this is new, also own tax/ tariffs will be new.

Who cares? Are you as exercised about Uganda raising its own taxes? You are becoming irrelevant. We left, remember?

 

[SteveS1]

Ah ok something new. Very strange bad strange thing. Is that what you are thinking?
So because the EU have managed to avoid doing this until now but because of a global pandemic they have decided needs must this is bad?
Are the UK borrowing less than the EU per capita? Are they not borrowing money at all?

Let's be honest here debating or discussing this is pointless. Facts mean nothing to you. they are just ignored as inconvenient truths.
I sincerely hope other Brexiteers are not using your logic to inform their decisions as it means there is no way back from the road to hell.

Ignoring inconvenient facts, while pointing at things that haven't happened are pretty much all he has, you expect more?

 

[TheDecameron]

Have you noticed the absence of concern about the giant Johnson-Sunak money tree? The loans the latter wants to call in pronto because there might be nowt left in the Levelling Up Fund? Johnson’s mouth has been writing cheques that the Party and BoE will eventually no longer want to cash.

As Covid recedes we get to see who’s been swimming in the nuddie- the EU or Brexit Britain.

 

[Colin Barron]

Have you noticed the absence of concern about the giant Johnson-Sunak money tree? The loans the latter wants to call in pronto because there might be nowt left in the Levelling Up Fund? Johnson’s mouth has been writing cheques that the Party and BoE will eventually no longer want to cash.

As Covid recedes we get to see who’s been swimming in the nuddie- the EU or Brexit Britain.

Fortunately we will be responsible only for UK debt.