Brexit: give me a positive effect... VI

[roman]

Interesting. Whenever I hear folk demonstrating ignorance of, or cynically misunderstanding the reality of UK fishing, it's good to have a reminder from people involved.

That's good. A perfect example of successive governments failing to admit fault and allowing the anti EU narrative to take hold. Far easier for them to take the blame for everything that's wrong.

Truth and facts were the first victims of brexit, soon to be followed by most of the rest of us.

 

[Brian]

Interesting. Whenever I hear folk demonstrating ignorance of, or cynically misunderstanding the reality of UK fishing, it's good to have a reminder from people involved.

Another one to pin on the tories. They really have screwed this country over good and proper. Anyone who helps them to a majority in the commons needs to take a good look at themselves.

 

[SteveS1]

Another one to pin on the tories. They really have screwed this country over good and proper. Anyone who helps them to a majority in the commons needs to take a good look at themselves.

Agreed Brian, but to then let them double down on it by being able to convince people who should know better that this was an EU created situation is all part of it. Anyone who voted Tory or Brexit is part of the same problem.

 

[TheDecameron]

Interesting. Whenever I hear folk demonstrating ignorance of, or cynically misunderstanding the reality of UK fishing, it's good to have a reminder from people involved.

Werent we having the argument made here ( scraped from a Gerrard Batten tweet by the sound of it) that these EU leviathans would turn the North Sea into an ecological desert and that “the poor British fisherman” couldn’t hope to compete with his modest tackle? Meanwhile conveniently forgetting that the majority of English quotas had been sold off years ago by their owners to other EU fleets.

 

[Colin Barron]

I`m 50 / 50 on that.

They may squabble so each leader can be seen to win and get a decent deal but a deal will happen. 90/10 for a deal. We still have the Remainers demanding a postponement, who are these people, the EU and the UK have wasted 4 years and both sides need to move on.

 

[SteveS1]

They may squabble so each leader can be seen to win and get a decent deal but a deal will happen. 90/10 for a deal. We still have the Remainers demanding a postponement, who are these people, the EU and the UK have wasted 4 years and both sides need to move on.

Having wasted so much time and money, now is not the time to examine whether it matches the promises or was wise. Far better to just plough on.

 

[stephen bennett]

They may squabble so each leader can be seen to win and get a decent deal but a deal will happen. 90/10 for a deal. We still have the Remainers demanding a postponement, who are these people, the EU and the UK have wasted 4 years and both sides need to move on.

You say 'postponement'. What are we postponing? We've left the EU.

I say 'let's be sensible in the middle of a pandemic-created double-dip recession'.

Seriously, what is the hurry? I repeat—we've left the EU. Leave won. We're not cancelling Brexit.

Stephen

 

[Colin Barron]

Having wasted so much time and money, now is not the time to examine whether it matches the promises or was wise. Far better to just plough on.

It is only fair the that the EU is allowed to plough forth to a federal USE, unfettered by the Eurosceptic UK. We wish them well.

 

[Brian]

Agreed Brian, but to then let them double down on it by being able to convince people who should know better that this was an EU created situation is all part of it. Anyone who voted Tory or Brexit is part of the same problem.

Along with anyone who helped them to a majority. The effect is to put them in govt. No difference at all, the outcome is tory policies.

 

[Brian]

You say 'postponement'. What are we postponing? We've left the EU.

I say 'let's be sensible in the middle of a pandemic-created double-dip recession'.

Seriously, what is the hurry? I repeat—we've left the EU. Leave won. We're not cancelling Brexit.

Stephen

What timescale do you have in mind for this non cancellation of brexit where we remain tied to the EU?

 

[Colin Barron]

You say 'postponement'. What are we postponing? We've left the EU.

I say 'let's be sensible in the middle of a pandemic-created double-dip recession'.

Seriously, what is the hurry? I repeat—we've left the EU. Leave won. We're not cancelling Brexit.

Stephen

It has taken 4 years to get to this point and there must be an end stop for anything to happen that is the way things are done. Everyone is geared up now to expect a deal and because each country is broke it will help to focus minds to achieve a deal. In the short to medium term a no deal is in no ones interest and at a guess that is what could happen if each country is not suffering Covid in the future.

 

[TheDecameron]

The British government is going to be in a much stronger position to negotiate after tomorrow once America has been made great again. Perhaps Mr. Johnson also needs to shut down parliament again so that he can get on more effectively with Brexit?

 

[tuga]

December and a Brexit deal are on the way.

We've been hearing that for years...

 

[stephen bennett]

What timescale do you have in mind for this non cancellation of brexit where we remain tied to the EU?

When we are out of a recession and the pandemic under control would be the sensible time.

Stephen

 

[tuga]

When we are out of a recession and the pandemic under control would be the sensible time.

Stephen

Then we can have an Eton mess and eat it.

 

[Brian]

When we are out of a recession and the pandemic under control would be the sensible time.

Stephen

Ah, so repeating more or less what was said yesterday. Nobody knows when that might happen so your idea is a non-starter.

 

[stephen bennett]

UK will struggle to deal with Brexit alongside Covid, says thinktank

I know that supporters of Brexit think this kind of reporting is some kind of remainer plot—what, I'm not sure as we have left the EU.

But what upsets and annoys me is that for reasons that are entirely unclear, they seem happy to damage businesses and the lives of millions that are already under strain from the pandemic.

Stephen

 

[stephen bennett]

Ah, so repeating more or less what was said yesterday. Nobody knows when that might happen so your idea is a non-starter.

Perhaps you could explain Brian, why we must leave the status quo on December the 31st?

What is the imperative for that date that trumps all other considerations including pandemics and depressions?

Stephen

 

[lagavullin10y]

I miss fish and chips, tbh. Haven't been to the local chippy since late Feb.

Well we have at least one thing in common. March 6 was my last F&C.

 

[Brian]

Perhaps you could explain Brian, why we must leave the status quo on December the 31st?

What is the imperative for that date that trumps all other considerations including pandemics and depressions?

Stephen

You’re off again.

No, I can’t explain why because essentially I agree with you, just saying what I believe is the reality rather than wishful thinking. I do believe I’ve already said this.