Boring music or boring hifi?
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sideshowbob
Champagne fascia aficionado
Exactly right, and much better put than I managed.
darrylfunk
Banned
yep' the brain is easily fooled.
it is because we are programmed to 'learn' patterns and these patterns then become little blocks of memorys - a scientist called it the digital brain - as the brain uses small parts of a picture or sound and adds what it thinks is natural and necessary to it.....as it goes along.
that's why the tune dem is a con because they always point out the very thing that your brain is already going to focus on.
Cav
pfm Member
No, I can't really accept that. It was (and is) the sound that first appealed, and the lyrics where present - but not for all folk music any more than for any other type of music I like (I am multilingual musically).
Music is a simpler pleasure than some would have us believe.
darrylfunk
Banned
so you like hi fi but don't like live folk.
hi fi is a modern phenomena unlike music which is as early an artform as possible really.
hi fi is a modern phenomena unlike music which is as early an artform as possible really.
darrylfunk
Banned
cav,
how do you know what kind of music you like?
by that i mean how do you find new stuff to enjoy?
how do you know what kind of music you like?
by that i mean how do you find new stuff to enjoy?
darrylfunk
Banned
cav,
another quick one to think over - how do folk musicians as an example know that the music they make is folk?
another quick one to think over - how do folk musicians as an example know that the music they make is folk?
Joe Hutch
Mate of the bloke
Finger in the ear, real ale, everyone sings along, each song is 40 verses long and tells of a maid, me boys, she was a proper tart, though even so you know, me boys, she broke her true love's heart.
darrylfunk
Banned
it's easy really - the music is a 'language' that has been passed down to people and this is why some kind of music sounds alien to some people.
an example is for instance, things like kraftwerk - whose early music used the industrial age as an influence on it's rhythmic elements - eg:- the sound of train tracks beating with the train wheels etc etc.
some african music had drum patterns that actually are like a lyric, in other words certain parts of the rhythmic cycle had a verbal meaning.
a friend of mine is a tabla player and he was teaching me the cycles by singing the parts - no tabla in sight.
this is why we 'get' or 'don't get' the musical message....it's very easy to design a speaker to add a big thump to drums that is an enhancement to some music but it may obliterate other bass sounds.
i'm sure james the speaker genius here can elaborate on the effect.
an example is for instance, things like kraftwerk - whose early music used the industrial age as an influence on it's rhythmic elements - eg:- the sound of train tracks beating with the train wheels etc etc.
some african music had drum patterns that actually are like a lyric, in other words certain parts of the rhythmic cycle had a verbal meaning.
a friend of mine is a tabla player and he was teaching me the cycles by singing the parts - no tabla in sight.
this is why we 'get' or 'don't get' the musical message....it's very easy to design a speaker to add a big thump to drums that is an enhancement to some music but it may obliterate other bass sounds.
i'm sure james the speaker genius here can elaborate on the effect.
Cav
pfm Member
Where did you get that idea?
Cav
pfm Member
I hear things on radio for example, or TV, my mates and I swap CDs, usual stuff.
Cav
pfm Member
Because their repertoire comes from an established folk canon, mainly.
Of course much of what is described as folk is not at all; it is often music in the folk idiom (or idiot in some cases).
darrylfunk
Banned
hi cav,
why do you say you like it because of how it sounds?
i don't get what you mean as you have also just said that folk is an 'idiom' which is basically as i said.
if you like 'the sound of folk' do you mean the 'style of' as in i suppose acoustic artists or the feel due to the origins of the ethnic region it's originally from ie:- celtic or norfolk or french gypsy jazz.
do you know why you like it as i have never ever met someone who says they like a genre of music because of how it sounds, they normally say it's because they relate to it or it makes them want to dance or cry or singalong none of these things come just from the 'sound'
regards
darryl
why do you say you like it because of how it sounds?
i don't get what you mean as you have also just said that folk is an 'idiom' which is basically as i said.
if you like 'the sound of folk' do you mean the 'style of' as in i suppose acoustic artists or the feel due to the origins of the ethnic region it's originally from ie:- celtic or norfolk or french gypsy jazz.
do you know why you like it as i have never ever met someone who says they like a genre of music because of how it sounds, they normally say it's because they relate to it or it makes them want to dance or cry or singalong none of these things come just from the 'sound'
regards
darryl
Cav
pfm Member
As I said earlier, there is less to this than meets the eye.
I like any music for the way it sounds and whether I enjoy the sound or not.
The irish tradition of music is my favourite from a musical point of view. It has particular rythms, forms, rules, instruments. But I do not like all irish music that conforms to those conventions. It is easy for me - I like something because I like it. If it helps you, I like it because the way it sounds creates in me an emotional response.
This is true of every style of music that I like, be it classical, pop, rock, avant-garde whatever.
I like any music for the way it sounds and whether I enjoy the sound or not.
The irish tradition of music is my favourite from a musical point of view. It has particular rythms, forms, rules, instruments. But I do not like all irish music that conforms to those conventions. It is easy for me - I like something because I like it. If it helps you, I like it because the way it sounds creates in me an emotional response.
This is true of every style of music that I like, be it classical, pop, rock, avant-garde whatever.
darrylfunk
Banned
so i was right it's the music your enjoying not the sound.
Cav
pfm Member
No. Why do you persist in saying the music is not the sound?
Take a classic irish traditional tune The Gold Ring. Hear it played on the uillean pipes by Paddy Keenan, Liam O'Flynn, Seamus Ennis.
Each plays the music: the correct notes, in the correct order, at the correct tempo. The tune in each case is clearly The Gold Ring.
In terms of enjoyment I would rate them in the order listed above. I like the Keenan rendition more than the other two. All play music.
Perhaps you had better explain more clearly what you mean when you say the sound is not the music?
Take a classic irish traditional tune The Gold Ring. Hear it played on the uillean pipes by Paddy Keenan, Liam O'Flynn, Seamus Ennis.
Each plays the music: the correct notes, in the correct order, at the correct tempo. The tune in each case is clearly The Gold Ring.
In terms of enjoyment I would rate them in the order listed above. I like the Keenan rendition more than the other two. All play music.
Perhaps you had better explain more clearly what you mean when you say the sound is not the music?
James
Lord of the Erg\o/s
You could look at a painting and (dis)like it, or not, pretty much in the first few seconds. It's not until you see what the artist was expressing that you understand what it is about. Both require visual acuity, but the latter involves a bit more cerebral processing. Every sighted person can like or dislike paintings. Not everyone will get the artistic intent.
Some people focus primarily on melody, which I believe is most easily discerned, but others might care more for rhythmic nuance, emotional expression and/or lyrical messages. How much fidelity you need may be driven by what's really important to you.
James
Some people focus primarily on melody, which I believe is most easily discerned, but others might care more for rhythmic nuance, emotional expression and/or lyrical messages. How much fidelity you need may be driven by what's really important to you.
James
James
Lord of the Erg\o/s
Speaker genius? Surely you jest.
No loudspeaker system in the world is capable of reaching close to 0Hz without displacing its woofer onto the other side of the room. Permanently. They will all start to roll off at some rate and from some point in the LF range. At the same time, closed enclosures we call rooms offer a degree of gain (depending on shape, size, construction etc) that can offset the roll off. But it's rarely even, and it's very much up to the ear/brain to compensate. That's when the set up nearly ideal.
Loudspeakers and their room interactions are the folly of the hifi cognoscenti. A decent pair of headphones and a bass shaker are all you really need to experience audio nirvana.
James
Joe Hutch
Mate of the bloke
I like the Thurber cartoon of a cross-looking man at an art gallery, with one bystander saying to another: 'He knows everything about art, but he doesn't know what he likes'.