You really have missed the point. It is perfectly normal to have opposite views on anything but that does not mean the other person is scum etc. You are a lefty, I am a Tory and will argue until the cows come home, but there is nothing to stop us sharing a pint.
Average UK worker would be £200 a week better off if real wages had grown at pre-crisis rate
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The public-facing pantomime has taken a turn for the worse in the last 10 years though, notably on the Tory side. That's really not good for politics or the country.
Sue Pertwee-Tyr
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I don't think I have missed the point at all. I think you are naive and still believe in the 'good chap' model of political governance for the UK. When people like you make excuses for the utterances of the likes of Johnson, Braverman and Patel, the incitement to hate and 'dog whistle' calls to action, it betrays us all. Worse, you seem to put the blame for any unpleasantness at the feet of the people who are calling out this unacceptable behaviour, not the people who are committing it.
If you don't like a politician, you vote them out, there is no need for the hate, that is all I am saying.
Sue Pertwee-Tyr
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If a person behaves in a hateful way, I feel it is reasonable, arguably necessary, to hate them for that behaviour. Otherwise, we lose our sense of humanity and decency.
ks.234
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Depends on what you men by ‘worked’? Worked for what end?
If the end is human outcomes then it clearly hasn't worked. The argument for outsourcing was to free up space for other more difficult operations, but cancer treatment, for example, has only got worse and worse as outsourcing has got more and more.
The contrary argument, that privatisation of public services does work, is undone by the rather obvious fact that they are in crisis.
If the end goal is better outcomes for people, privatisation has not worked
If the goal is to get investment “off the books”, by selling assets to the private sector where politicians have their own financial interest, then yes, it has worked.
Depends if you’re on the side of the many or the few; the greater good to the greater number or an invisible hand, one nationism, or unfettered self interest?
ks.234
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Sorry, have to disagree.
I voted for Starmer and he made me look like a right arse.
I’m entitled to feel a bit of hate towards the lying, duplicitous, lying, dissembling, principle free, lying scum bag hypocrite who lies.
In this country you can easily change your MP’s,your political party,and even your government,but you will never have the policies changed.EVER.
ks.234
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Vote for policies, not parties
Mike Hughes
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It really isn’t.
Let’s start here eh.
UN blames UK politicians for Brexit hate crime spike https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37193140
Then you might read https://theconversation.com/when-politicians-use-hate-speech-political-violence-increases-146640
Maybe finish with this? https://hopenothate.org.uk/state-of-hate-2024-britains-radical-right/
I do appreciate this will be alien territory. Testing your opinion against actual things which have happened and been researched rather than repeatedly regurgitating your opinion solely because it’s your “right”. Try it. It’ll come as a shock at first but there is a joy in holding opinions supported by facts.
ks.234
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I think that what the keyboard warrior shows is how close to the surface hatred is and given anonymity, how quickly it spreads.
The more we feel threatened, the more we look for an enemy.
When we have an ideology that creates growing wealth inequality, the more people there are who will feel threatened.
Threats need targets, and unpleasant politicians provide them.
Apologies in advance for throwing your words back at you, but in a previous post you spoke about solidarity and unity. Those words might’ve been said in jest, but they point to what to me is a fundamental question: do you want the politics of unity, or the politics of division?
Sue Pertwee-Tyr
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Politics (like religion) is about control. Control of the masses, for the advantage of an elite minority. If you're not one of the controllers, you are one of the controlled. The one thing that unites the controllers, is their wish to continue to be controllers. They all have common cause to that extent. So yes, I can well believe that beneath the surface disagreements and rows (what Mick P calls the 'pantomime') they are mostly buddies as their interests coincide. It's not so much a gentlemanly respect for opponents, as a tacit recognition that they are all on the same side. To that extent, at least, any disagreements over policy are window dressing.
Edit: of course you have Mick. Your people have won again. The rest of us see nothing to celebrate in that, but you have a nice time tonight.
Edit: of course you have Mick. Your people have won again. The rest of us see nothing to celebrate in that, but you have a nice time tonight.
palindrome
Thru a hedge, backwards and forwards.
Funnily enough Steve, yesterday I wrote a response to another poster regarding the Tory Party that covers much the same ground. I elected not to post the missive as it was rather more drawn out than yours (cough); not as succinct.
John
Bananahead
pfm Member
I will never eat another weetabix
I’m a socialist,only twice in 32 years of having the vote have I been offered a socialist candidate,you can change the party’s,the establishment will make sure you will not have a change of policy.