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Audio Note DAC 4 or 5. Just how good R they?

Discussion in 'audio' started by xtinct1, Jul 12, 2020.

  1. tuga

    tuga Legal Alien

    I attended the Lisbon Audio Show in 2010 and listened to a digital-fronted all-AN system. The room was empty for a while so I was able to listen a couple of CDs I had taken with me, Ivan Moravec playing the first two movements of Beethoven's Op.27 No.2 (Supraphon), and the last movement of Beethoven's Op.125 by Giulini and the BPO (DG).
    The sound was, well, bad-ish...

    Best three speakers I've listened to? TAD Reference 1s, B&W Nautilus and Vivid Giya G3s.
  2. tuga

    tuga Legal Alien

    Who does it sound good to? An important point that often goes unnoticed. Hardly any DAC will please all listeners.
  3. Purité Audio

    Purité Audio Trade: Purite Audio

    They are always at least a bit coloured perhaps the new ‘Hyperions’ from Danley.
  4. Miss Ariel

    Miss Ariel pfm Member

    I was wondering that to.Seems to have turned into a ultra expensive horn thread which if you live in a barn you could probably accommodate....
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  5. brab

    brab pfm Member

    Do power cords make a difference?
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  6. G T Audio

    G T Audio Trade: Manufacturer and Distributor

    Agreed, they are irrelevant for vast majority. BTW they are the same speaker, Cessaro Omega's.
  7. Woodface

    Woodface pfm Member

    They look terrible in the 2nd picture. Do they have active bass units?
  8. Old Shatterhand

    Old Shatterhand pfm Member

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  9. RichardAusten

    RichardAusten Active Member

    I have heard all three - If you deem these as being the best then I can't help you.

    I've heard a smaller Giya most recently being powered by the top-of-the-line D'Agostino amplifiers. I was hoping the smaller pair might sound better than the bigger ones - sometimes it happens. 3 minutes into the "audiophile-grade" recording and it sounded thin and edgy like all B&W speakers - but then it's the same designer so it is not much of a surprise there. I was a huge B&W fan (and owner) and booster boy back in the day - man was I ever that young and silly.


    I liked the TAD CR-1 Compact Reference monitors at an audio show I covered in 2012 but at $42,000 USD back then - umm I didn't love them that much that's for sure. The bigger brothers are here in Hong Kong.

    I note that Zesto Audio now shows with Joseph Audio Speakers and no longer TAD. Zesto sounds about as good for a lot less money.


    Fortunately, I have heard all three lines of speakers in multiple locations. The Nautilus at of my Audio dealers in British Columbia.

    I have had direct A/B comparisons with several B&W speakers directly against AN models - I wanted to buy the N805 and the dealer put in the AN K/SPE a Paradigm flagship standmount at the time, and Reference 3a MM De Capo. The B&W came in last. Rather disheartening because the B&W looked cool - as does the Nautilus as does Vivid. They look cool. If only the sound matched.
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  10. sq225917

    sq225917 Bit of this, bit of that

    Ref3a da capo, on the end of msb class a amps and platinum dac combo is still the best sound I've heard at a show. Just music, in a great room setup by Paul Benge.
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  11. RichardAusten

    RichardAusten Active Member

    Reference 3a was a top 5 room at CES - the Grand Veena - I often recommend this second hand because most people don't know the brand all that well and so unfortunately for the owner, the second-hand value is pretty poor - fortunately for the keen used buyer you can get these $9,000 speakers for around $2,500. I almost bought a used Midi-Master that came before the De Capo - I like the balance a little more than the De Capo i. But the price was a little too high in HK for a 30+ year old speaker. It might be tough to get parts if something fails. So I worried myself out of buying them.

    The AN K/SPe I ultimately chose over the De Capo but it wasn't a blowout - these two were vastly better than the N805. The K and De Capo sounded fuller and more fleshed out with better treble. Soundhounds was such a good audio dealer - they would bring speakers like EPOS in at a customer's request to compare with stuff they carried. Plus dogs were welcome too.

    They also made great cappuccinos for customers or browsers and had some great pastries and donuts. And because they sold so so so many brands of different design types they never had to hard-sell anyone because you'd be bound to like something they carried. And the used section at times could be excellent.
  12. irb

    irb pfm Member

    Can't you accept that we don't all have the same tastes? You clearly have lots of experience of different systems, but why diss what other people have just said they like?
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  13. sq225917

    sq225917 Bit of this, bit of that

    Appeal from authority....
  14. tuga

    tuga Legal Alien

    Cråp amplification won't help.
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  15. badger748

    badger748 Like en eel. But in reverse.

    Im sure Dan D'Agostino (the tons of time and money spent on R&D) would be super thrilled to hear "bloke from the internet" refer to his product as crap!
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  16. anubisgrau

    anubisgrau pfm Member

    In my book, this is the best compliment you can give to a home system.

    Anyway professional PA systems nowadays are lights ahead of home audio and a way way cheaper.
  17. anubisgrau

    anubisgrau pfm Member

    It's getting pathetic. Some people here clearly need a professional help or at least an advice. Audio fora can't help.
  18. sq225917

    sq225917 Bit of this, bit of that

    You mean his class a/B amps.
  19. tuga

    tuga Legal Alien

    B S, lot's of money spent in advertising (rave reviews).
  20. anubisgrau

    anubisgrau pfm Member

    exactly, contrary to some brands whose speakers you rave about - B&W for example.

    btw you may win a prize, NASA is apparently scientifically looking for a human being who heard nautilus sounding good.
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