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Are you optimistic about the UK's future?

Discussion in 'off topic' started by wulbert, May 25, 2023.

  1. wulbert

    wulbert pfm Member

    Britons are the most pessimistic across 29 countries about their disposable incomes.

    I'm not. I feel quite miserable when I contemplate the future in this country. But it might just be me. I think getting by on a low income tends one towards pessimism. Even if only because one relies so much more on public infrastructure working as it should. And it doesn't any more.

    Do other people feel optimistic? Are you confident about the future for you and your loved ones?

    Last time I felt optimism about this country was perhaps 1997 when the Blair government got elected, the Good Friday Agreement being announced and the lead up to the 2014 Scottish Independence referendum. Early 2000 felt optimistic too, up until September 2001.
    TheDecameron likes this.
  2. sean99

    sean99 pfm Member

    No. The UK has suffered from 10+ years of disastrous Tory government, perhaps highlighted by the catastrophe of Brexit, and still there is not a credible opposition party - the left and center continue to fight each other, instead of the common enemy.
    10 years ago I was quite desperate to return to the UK from the US, where I've lived since around 2000. Now I see Massachusetts as preferable to the UK. The healthcare here is a rip-off, and there is the gun problem (less of a problem in MA than elsewhere in the US), but the economy continues to grow in MA, and the state governance is thoughtful, where the UK seems caught in a spiral of self-destruction. It's so sad, because there is so much to like about life in the UK.
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  3. Big Tabs

    Big Tabs looking backwards, going forwards

    I am an optimistic person, being pessimistic takes up far too much headspace.

    The country will be what it will be, I am not going to waste my life worrying about it.

    The kids and grandchildren will have some of my positive feelings rub off on them.
    darrenyeats, AnilS, lexi and 5 others like this.
  4. gintonic

    gintonic 50 shades of grey pussy cats

    I don't care, have no opinion. we will get on with what we do, live within our parameters. Waste of time question.....

    We deliberately had no kids.
  5. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    If I could afford to get out of the UK to somewhere else where my business would remain even vaguely viable I would. I can’t see anything good coming here for a long time. The damage is locked-in now and there is just no political opposition or appetite for real change. I see no suggestion the decisions that need to be made to save the UK will even make it onto the table.
    Mike Hughes, chartz and tqineil like this.
  6. farfromthesun

    farfromthesun pfm Member

    Put it this way - I'm glad my kids have EU Passports, even though I don't.
    Mole Man, sean99 and tqineil like this.
  7. Enfield boy

    Enfield boy pfm Member

    Not in the least. This country has gone down the pan and a fair chunk of the population keep pulling the chain.
  8. ks.234

    ks.234 Half way to Infinity

    If the disposable income of the rich goes up, the disposable income of the poor has to go down.

    This is by design. It’s a choice.
    Snufkin likes this.
  9. tiggers

    tiggers pfm Member

  10. chartz

    chartz If it’s broke fix it!

    I wish you were still in Europe. What a waste of a great nation.
    RJohan likes this.
  11. narabdela

    narabdela who?

  12. Cheese

    Cheese Bitter lover

    Even your King might run the place better than your current govt.

    Although, seen from afar, Sunak seems to be a little less of a catastrophe than the four before him. Or does it just seem so because he’s not as loud?
  13. Tony Lockhart

    Tony Lockhart Avoiding Stress, at Every Opportunity

    If things were different for us, we would have left by Christmas 2016.

    Every single day there’s more bad news, more evidence that we are deep in shit, with no viable leadership to guide us through and out of it.
  14. laughingboy

    laughingboy pfm Member

  15. Mike Hughes

    Mike Hughes pfm Member

    Strictly speaking you’re referring to income. Disposable income depends on your expenditure choices.
  16. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    He’s at least as corrupt, possibly more so. A remarkably shifty and evasive character who’s personal finances are as opaque as it gets. An unelected oligarch who has risen to the point of being able to steer a national economy to his and his donors benefit. The UK is a kleptocracy. A nation being eaten alive by a gangster elite.
    lAmBoY, Darmok, Nic Robinson and 3 others like this.
  17. ks.234

    ks.234 Half way to Infinity

    It isn’t leadership that is our problem, it is half a decade of relentlessly pursuing the same idea despite the clear evidence that it has failed to achieve its own stated objectives
  18. ks.234

    ks.234 Half way to Infinity

    No, disposable income depends on having a decent income. Expenditure ‘choices’ are for those with a decent income, the very obvious problem for public sector workers is that they have only had real terms income cuts for over a decade.

    The absurdity is that we have an economic model based on people spending into the economy. What we have now is economic illiteracy
    RJohan likes this.
  19. linvc

    linvc pfm Member

    Sorry but wow. What a negative attitude
  20. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    A lot of self employed and gig-economy workers are in an even worse place. I’m earning in £ terms roughly what I was three or four years ago, so what’s that, a 25% pay cut once the rocketing inflation and heating costs are factored-in? It is something like that. Certainly feels it. My savings (stock ISAs etc) have been a disaster too, the cash value little more than it was five years ago, so a real-terms loss of 5-10% a year. That’s my retirement evaporating as I’ve never been able to afford a pension. The UK is absolutely ****ed IME. I’m keeping my head above water, just, though a lot of my friends in the arts aren’t.
    Nic Robinson, Snufkin and nmtjb like this.

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