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Munich show 2022

Beyond core function it serves only as an aesthetic statement, and to my eyes a remarkably ugly one. In a world of declining materials we should be building with intellect and for the future, not just serving-up vulgar excess to the super-rich.



So no letter to Santa from you asking for a D'Agostino amp, then?

But I do largely agree with you, less is more. (More or less). Simple and elegant is the way to go.

I'm a designer FFS, I get random spot checks on my attitudes to this kind of thing.

IMO, Steve Jobs had one of the best quotes on the topic.

"Most people make the mistake of thinking design is what it looks like. That’s not what we think design is. It’s not just what it looks like and feels like. Design is how it works."

There's a lot of hifi kit where the 'design' is bolted on afterwards. Along with the Swarovski crystals.
 
So no letter to Santa from you asking for a D'Agostino amp, then?

Ugh! I think they are absolutely vile looking, just bling over function and almost deliberately ugly. I have no idea how anyone could design something so hideous and ostentatious without it being the first bullet-point on the design brief. I like the original Krell KSA 50 though. That looked like a good chunky 50 Watt class A amp needed to look (though I don’t like fan cooling).

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This is my Pass Aleph 3. A passively cooled 30 Watt class A amp. A really good example of audio design IMO. Form dictated by function and beautiful execution. It is what it needs to be without any unnecessary adornment or excess. It is the exact opposite of the vulgar bling-fest D'Agostinos etc of today. The 303 sitting behind it is another great example.
 
In fairness Tannoy have changed hands and staff many, many times over the years. There are those of us who think the real ones were made in That London (ducks, covers)!
yes used to live a few roads from the factory , the local church had tannoy speakers instead of bells

Good to see some great news of fyne , i very nearly put in an offer on a flat a few yards from a fyne dealer ....shame it did not transpire . Would have been good to go in there and hear the vintage ones ...might even compare them to my legacy tannoys
 
It was amusing that Fremer seemed to criticise the price of Arthur’s turntable given the absurdity of the oligarch bling-fi he runs himself. IIRC Fremer’s turntable is about $200,000 before one gets to the ($35,000+) tonearm. Glass houses and all that.

MF OMA K3 is almost $500k they had one at munich
 
Every Esoteric product I've ever heard has always sounded a bit on the 'big and shiny' side to me. Just as it looks, not really my cup of tea.

I borrowed an Esoteric E-03 phono stage for many months. It was pretty amazing actually - very detailed and revealing. However in the end I went back to my Uphorik. It was a tough decision but music just hung together on the Uphorik. With the Esoteric I too often found myself listening to one instrument rather than the whole performance. I suppose you could say there was a sliver more mid/treble clarity in the E-03, but clearer pitch definition in the Uphorik's bass-to-mid. Whatever it was the Uphorik just sounded a bit more fun and less analytical - the musicians seemed to be playing something together. That's the ultimate question: are you enjoying the music itself rather than impressiveness of sound reproduction? But I wouldn't sniff at Esoteric - it seems like quite serious kit.
 
I borrowed an Esoteric E-03 phono stage for many months. It was pretty amazing actually - very detailed and revealing. However in the end I went back to my Uphorik. It was a tough decision but music just hung together on the Uphorik. With the Esoteric I too often found myself listening to one instrument rather than the whole performance. I suppose you could descibe that as more mid/treble clarity in the E-03, but clearer tunes in the Uphorik's bass-to-mid. Whatever it was the Uphorik just sounded a bit more fun and less analytical and that's the ultimate question: are you enjoying the music itself?

As I say, I can't really separate the component from the system. Never used anything Esoteric at home, but then, Catch-22, nor have I ever wanted to. I'm not inherently 'anti high-end,' I did have an Audio Research pre-amp about 100 years ago, and oh yeah, a couple of bits of Kondo hardware graced my shelves in a previous life. I've even heard enough from some bits of vintage Levinson kit to think there might be some merit there.

There is though a certain type of kit, which tends to congregate at hifi shows like wildebeest round a watering hole at dusk, where I always think the result teeters (at best) on the verge on being a musical autopsy rather than conveying a performance, and I've only ever heard Esoteric components in the context of that kind of system. I've no idea whether they might be tempering or helping create that impression.

I never cease to be amused by the recollection of one such system a few years back where the room was cleared faster than said wildebeest spotting a pride of lions could have managed.
 
Interesting perspective in Roy Gregory's summary of Munich.

Especially for those who tend to get hot under the collar whenever RG's name is mentioned (although I think that's more a 'Wam thing).
I suppose I'm a fan, although he's very opinionated, he's one of the few reviewers who says that he doesn't like something, which makes for more interesting reading.
 
Interesting perspective in Roy Gregory's summary of Munich.

Especially for those who tend to get hot under the collar whenever RG's name is mentioned (although I think that's more a 'Wam thing).

https://gy8.eu/blog/munich-2022/7/
He’s pretty much described most high end system set-ups from every show I’ve ever attended, there! Actively unpleasant and usually to do with the insistence on using overly large speakers in unsuitable spaces with high levels of ambient noise. I thought Audio Research had it right this year by only having a static display.
 
In a world of declining materials we should be building with intellect and for the future, not just serving-up vulgar excess to the super-rich. Audio should be full of solid reliable engineering built to be serviceable and desirable for generations. It actually is, but one has to look backwards to find it.

Amen to this. These were specific questions I had in mind when designing my product. Will it still work in 200 years? Can the user maintain it with basic tools? Can she extend/modify it to taste or to incorporate some unforeseen function or mechanism? Will its performance become obsolete or on the other hand is it as close to a theoretically perfect solution as my ape brain can imagine?

I agree that there are some great examples from the past. Look at the enduring popularity of some of the idlers, valve amps and even speakers. To be fair, amp maintenance is a bit of a pain if you're not a solder soldier, and fixing old speakers can be murder, but with such a narrow margin of reproduction between many of today's expensive boxen, and an imposed oil crisis, maintenance and future-proof flexibility ought to become selling points again. Throw away the throw-away culture. Old is the new new. I'm 54 ;-)
 
To be fair, amp maintenance is a bit of a pain if you're not a solder soldier, and fixing old speakers can be murder, but with such a narrow margin of reproduction between many of today's expensive boxen, and an imposed oil crisis, maintenance and future-proof flexibility ought to become selling points again.

I found it great fun and rewarding servicing/restoring my vintage Quads, Leaks, Pass etc. I can solder neatly (started on guitar leads about 40 years ago), but beyond that I can follow basic instructions and own a multimeter. I’m certainly not an electronics engineer. That’s enough to keep working stuff on the road indefinitely, and the beauty with real classic audio such as this is so much knowledge and advice is in the public domain should you get stuck. I’m now at the stage I’d be very bored just opening a new box and sticking it on a shelf, I like to get far more involved with the technology now.
 
Tony, you and I are not normal ;-) The majority are looking for an appliance. Swapping valves, light bulbs and batteries are good examples of a reasonable level of end user maintenance.

Once I realised that I needed to send my Naim amps back for new caps each decade to ensure good performance it really put me off them. Most people are looking for other adventures.
 
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This is my Pass Aleph 3. A passively cooled 30 Watt class A amp. A really good example of audio design IMO. Form dictated by function and beautiful execution.

I wonder if it's difficult to carry the amp with all the fins wrapped around it. I once owned the Plinius SA-100 mk3 and it's impossible to carry the amp without the handles at the front, alone and unaided (there are handles at the rear of the amp too).

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Yes, and in this case it was as far removed from my live experience of listening to the same piece of music played live from the 5th row of the LSO Barbican as one could get to my ears and brain.
Something to ponder. Your experience of the orchestra in the 5th row at the Barbican is not what the recording microphones picked up; is not what the rest of the orchestra heard as they were making the music; is not what the conductor heard as he did his work; is not what the mixing engineer and producer heard when they took the recorded inputs and mixed the recording for consumption. Your seat and ears are only one point of reference. Whose is correct?

Back in 2001, I spent an enjoyable evening with Larry and assembled guests at what became The Audioworks (I think it was still The Audio Coursel at the time?), in Cheadle. We were working through a system, making interesting changes to get it closer to the music. A variety of recordings were used, one I remember is Lucinda Williams' excellent Car Wheels On A Gravel Road. Towards the end of the evening (we'd arrived at a great-sounding setup), there was some mild difference of opinion on which of the final changes was the most appropriate one**. One of those in attendance voiced his opinion that the acoustic guitar was more naturally rendered in his favoured configuration; he was a guitarist and that's how he heard it. I offered that the other configuration sounded more like a band playing together, and in particular, the guitar sounded more natural to me - more balanced, more tone, more decay. "are you a guitarist?", I was asked? "No, I wish I was. I do - just barely - play bass" I responded, adding "though I have spent the last two days micing up and mixing instruments in a rehersal space for sound reinforcement on a course. My preferred configuration sound more like what I hear - or the mics capture - in front of the guitarist. This is what your listeners hear in a room, or what is ultimately mixed in a live venue". It was time for a curry and a pint, having agreed there are many perspectives and none were wrong.

Whenever I play 'Lost It' (not the original from Happy Woman Blues), I'm transported back to that evening. Happy days. My system these days is way better than what we were demming that evening, but is my experience better?

We need a reference, and it should be live music. Though everyone's reference - and experience - is different and uniquely personal. From the audiophile that sits rigidly, distracted by surface noise and preferring on obscure pressing of the performance and basing their impression on having heard it on every carefully evaluated system for the past 40 years, to a listener that takes it as it comes, digs into the groove, and passes outrageous comment - all are based on the personal, and all are valid in the end.

** if I recall correctly, we were trialling a new upgrade at Prototype stage to the Music Works power distribution block?
 
I wonder if it's difficult to carry the amp with all the fins wrapped around it.

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It’s far smaller than one might think, especially if you have any preconceptions about US high-end. It fits easily in a cube in an Ikea Expidt shelf! IIRC it is 12” by 12” by 6” tall. As such not too hard to manhandle at all. Gets bloody hot though.

The big Krells, e.g. KSA100, 80, 200 etc really are a two man lift. No way to deal with them otherwise. Very like that Plinius, which is an amp brand I’ve never heard!
 
We need a reference, and it should be live music.

Hey Rico, how are you? I went for a traditional Bavarian lunch last weekend, at a biergarten overlooking a valley, and there was live blasmusik, ie a basic drum kit, a tuba, two trumpets and an accordion. These guys were sitting at a table among the guests, out in the open, their playing was really tight considering they'd probably been drinking (steadily) for a while. I hadn't heard live, unamplified music in a while (apart from my own guitar at home) and it was both a delight -- and a reminder how pitifully inadequate hi-fi systems are at reproducing the sheer physicality of such an event. The kick drum and the tuba shifted a lot of air! No boundary reinforcement! Nevertheless, I'm having a coffee in front of my system right now and really enjoying Paco's "Live in America" ... the message is coming through but live music it ain't.
 
I'm just loving the heat sink porn. These amps almost look like artworks. Has anybody ever made an amp which has fins on top as well as around the perimeter?
 
^^^ I had a friend that did a home build job with heatsinks all around it, we affectionately called it the "Porcupine". Shame I don't have a pic of it though.
 


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