I think you're missing the point.... there shouldn't be two versions, the government shouldn't be meddling in an 'independent' report. It's not what the differences are, it's the fact that the government interfered with an independent process. Good to see the press and media holding them accountable... fat chance! This country is so ****ed!
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I think you're missing the point.... there shouldn't be two versions, the government shouldn't be meddling in an 'independent' report. It's not what the differences are, it's the fact that the government interfered with an independent process. Good to see the press and media holding them accountable... fat chance! This country is so ****ed!
Cheese
Bitter lover
I guess your country may very well be ***ed, but let's compare this matter with a commercial one. You sell, say, airbags, and it turns out that they don't work. Many deaths, complaints from everywhere, millions in claims for compensation. Logically, you ask for an independent technical analysis.
It turns out that the product is totally useless and had no chance to work, even before production. Now you know how engineers write, their report could sound like "Product is not functional by design, the engineers who designed it were not trained adequately for this particular task. Test results were faked for years. Quality assurance manager is brother-in-law of sales manager. Etc.". First thing you will do is ask the guys at the marketing dept to soften the report a little before it is made public, unless you want to go bankrupt a few months later.
Now I don't know how political processes are supposed to be in the UK. But in any case, a look at the original version of the report would be interesting.
To me it all looks a bit like a minister of health who, before entering the press conference room, 'adjusts' the Covid report established by the official medical commission (BTW this happened here too, not only in the UK). Let's not forget that it will be up to said minister and his colleagues to clean up the mess if things go haywire on the streets following an inadequately written report.
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Sue Pertwee-Tyr
Accuphase all the way down
The difference being that in the case of the airbag company, it wouldn't commission an independent report with a view to publication in the first place. That report, if as candid as you say, would have been for internal consumption only.
It's the government claiming to have commissioned an independent report, which it would publish, and then going on to edit the report pre-publication. And we're not talking about a clean up for plain-English, we're talking about, AIUI, fundamental changes to meaning and context in pursuit of the government's agenda. The report is neither independent nor transparent, but is merely a fig-leaf for government.
gavreid
Pretty Words...
Indeed. The report was never formally signed off in the way that these things normally are.
paulfromcamden
Baffled
Mental health nurse fined £10,000 by Greater Manchester Police for 1% pay protest:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...p-case-of-nurse-fined-10000-for-1-pay-protest
Protest limited to 40 people to enable social distancing. Risk assessment submitted to police beforehand.
Police nonetheless maintain fine is "proportionate, legal, accountable and necessary in the circumstances".
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...p-case-of-nurse-fined-10000-for-1-pay-protest
Protest limited to 40 people to enable social distancing. Risk assessment submitted to police beforehand.
Police nonetheless maintain fine is "proportionate, legal, accountable and necessary in the circumstances".
DonQuixote99
pfm Member
Hmmm...says the police may face a 'judicial review of their position?' Would such review have the character of a trial, in public, in which witnesses must be sworn and may be cross examined by the defense, and the defense may call witnesses and subpoena evidence? Or is this nurse to face a severe fine without what one can call 'due process of law?'
PsB
Citizen of Nowhere™
Mind-boggling behaviour from the Police top brass, especially when compared with what you posted in the Coronavirus thread:
Still, first things first, eh? Clamp down on NHS nurses demonstrating against their 1% pay rise.@gavreid
I'm finding it harder to empathise with the estimated 10,000(!) absolute bells who rolled up for an anti-covid protest in London yesterday.
Two police officers hospitalised apparently.
zarniwoop
hoopy frood
There's a link to crowdfunding her legal challenge in the Guardian article: https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/support-nhs-nurse-karen/
vince rocker
pfm Member
In Manchester the Mayor is also the Police and Crime Commissioner. Wonder what Burnham has to say about this, 2 weeks before an election?
mykel
Perpetual Hack.
Something interesting to note....
It mentions that the 1% increase could result in 300.00 less in pay for a large proportion.
Am I to assume that this increase would push them into the next higher tax bracket?
This almost sounds like a backhanded cash grab by the government dressed up as a "pay increase."
Am I being too cynical?
It mentions that the 1% increase could result in 300.00 less in pay for a large proportion.
Am I to assume that this increase would push them into the next higher tax bracket?
This almost sounds like a backhanded cash grab by the government dressed up as a "pay increase."
Am I being too cynical?
misterdog
Not the canine kind
Like DuPont then, they saw the internal report. saw the deaths and destruction.
The board concluded that they were liable for the past so might as well carry on.
https://theconversation.com/dark-wa...-companies-about-doing-the-right-thing-132480
Dave H.
Revolutionary relativist
Very little mention that I can see of the fact that senior Serco management had a case dropped against them earlier this week because the prosecution said it would not provide any evidence. Then about 24 hours later, a contract IIRC in the hundreds of millions was quietly announced as having been awarded to… Serco.
Curious.
Do not concern yourselves, plebs, the government will do as it pleases without challenge, thank you very much.
Curious.
Do not concern yourselves, plebs, the government will do as it pleases without challenge, thank you very much.
TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
Interesting piece on why British far right parties did so badly in recent elections- UKIP finally booted out of Wales, convicted former Britain First leader, Jayda Fransen losing her deposit in Glasgow and Gammons losing the London Mayoral election.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ly-across-uk-elections?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
It appears the aspirations of old BNP members were met by joining UKIP then the Brexit Party but that now they are catered for by what Boris Johnson has turned the Conservative Party into-
“With [Boris Johnson’s] pro-Brexit and rightwing populist agenda, which includes strong anti-immigration messaging and deliberate manipulation and hyping of a cultural war, there is currently very little political space for traditional far-right parties obsessed with racial nationalism and Islamophobia,” he said.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ly-across-uk-elections?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
It appears the aspirations of old BNP members were met by joining UKIP then the Brexit Party but that now they are catered for by what Boris Johnson has turned the Conservative Party into-
“With [Boris Johnson’s] pro-Brexit and rightwing populist agenda, which includes strong anti-immigration messaging and deliberate manipulation and hyping of a cultural war, there is currently very little political space for traditional far-right parties obsessed with racial nationalism and Islamophobia,” he said.
Enfield boy
pfm Member
Quelle surprise, Sherlock
Dave H.
Revolutionary relativist
Don’t worry, one of the central planks of the trade deal with India will be making immigration to the U.K. easier. It’ll be spun to within an inch of its life, but those recently dormant far right antennae are bound to twitch eventually, and there’ll be a taste of the good old days once again, sure enough.
TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
The number of HK Chinese citizens entitled to permanent residence in the U.K. is 5 million and the Home Office estimate 300,000 will arrive initially. It’s on a scale that will draw the attention of Farage and those same Conservative voters carpetbagged in from right wing anti-immigration parties.
This is going to be hard for Johnson to square with them, it’s inevitably going to lead to a flash point.
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russel
./_dazed_and_confused
Johnson knows China will not let that many leave, wouldn’t surprise me if he has a back door deal in place.